Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/05/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]+1 gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dante Stella" <dstella1 at ameritech.net> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 11:16:23 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Leica] Ming Thein part 3 - MM vs D800E in B&W I have an M8 and a D700, so I share your sentiment... Dante On May 28, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Bill Pearce wrote: > I happen to own both an M9 and a D700, and I must say they are two very > different animals. In good light, the M9's files are easily seen as > better: crisper, better color, and can blow up really big with no > problems. At higher ISO's, the Nikon is not to be topped. And, it is an > easy handling camera when a SLR is a better choice. And, not to start a > war, but the lenses for the D700, while not the equal of the Leica lenses, > are a lot better than those for another big name camera. I wouldn't sell > either one. > > -----Original Message----- From: Dante Stella > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:57 PM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] Ming Thein part 3 - MM vs D800E in B&W > > Not at all. In bright light, the M9 easily outperforms the D700 with 18 > non-aliased MP over 12 with some light antialiasing. The tradeoff is that > the D700 is so good at low-light performance that some D700 owners are not > going to worry about what an MM can do at ISO 10,000. Ming Thein's dead > heat in mono between an MM and a D800E essentially damns the MM with faint > praise. > > Dante > > On May 27, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Richard Man wrote: > >> While it's a good point, the Leica M9 has similar price / performance >> issue >> with, lets say the Nikon D700. So it's nothing new here in that sense. M9 >> shooters choose it because of other factor, mainly that it's a rangefinder >> and with the advantages that come with it. >> >> I can say for certain that I would have gotten some images that I did not >> get at the Occupy if I had an MM. I cannot say that if I had a Nikon. >> >> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at >> ameritech.net>wrote: >> >>> It's a new version of that lens from the 2000s, but your point is a good >>> one. >>> >>> It's not that an MM holds its own with a 36mp camera. It's that a $3600 >>> outfit involving an OK lens is performing at the same level as a system >>> including the best 50 ever, costing a total of $16,000, having no color >>> capability and allowing no highlight recoverability. >>> >>> There is no comparison for size/weight, and for some purposes, it's >>> better >>> to use traditional contrast filters, but still... most people with the >>> money to even consider a MM have some understanding of marginal utility. >>> >>> Dante >>> >>> On May 27, 2012, at 9:20 AM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at earthlink.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The lens he tested the 50AA against is the old pancake 45mm lens, isn't >>> it? >>>> >>>> Having said all that, the results for a 40+ year old $100 lens + $3500 >>> body >>>> compared to a new, SOTA $7000 lens + $9000 body is pretty upsetting. >>>> >>>> Nikon did pretty well... in fact, for the $12,000 difference in price, >>> the >>>> image results indicate the 50AA + M9m is way overpriced and outclassed >>> on a >>>> value for money equivalent. >>>> >>>> Frank Filippone >>>> Red735i at earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> This I did not notice, I must say. I wonder why he didn't spring >>>> ~$200 for a 50/1.8 G lens? It really seems a weird 'comparison' to me. >>>> >>>> Marty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information