Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/13

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Subject: [Leica] Leica M Monochrom
From: jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:59:47 -0500
References: <CBFED78E.1F9ED%mark@rabinergroup.com>

I trust his reviews, and he is way less annoying than Ken Rockwell. [if you 
agree, please PayPal me $9.95 a month to support my family who can only 
survive from your donations.]

Sent from my iPad

Jeffery L. Smith
New Orleans, Louisiana
USA

On Jun 13, 2012, at 22:49, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> Erins books are so successful and his advice so sought after because he is
> not uncritically praising Leica.  As no one would have any time for that.
> He is not in general put to task on his integrity.
> Mainly it only comes from handful of idiots on this list.
> I do not agree with everything Erwin says.
> I've met him and communicated with him in the past.
> And I've used many of the lenes he's reviewed and time and time again
> discussed. I've made large darkroom prints from them on a calibrated
> enlarger with quality enlarging glass. And seen them projected with quality
> (Leica) glass. My results and experience with Leica glass and cameras 
> mainly
> agrees with his. 98% Which is why he has my respect. And the respect of the
> photographic community as a whole.
> 
> Have you read his book?
> Have you used Leica glass?
> 
> - - from my iRabs.
> Mark Rabiner
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> 
> 
>> From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:30:22 -0400
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M Monochrom
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Erwin and you both worship Leica as though it were the messiah. People
>> wouldn't question his credibility if he did not uncritically praise
>> anything Leica, while dissing anything else, no matter how good.
>> 
>> If you want to compare to Jayanand's work, it would be as though a writer
>> for the Wall Street Journal constantly praised a single mutual fund
>> company as though its products were the only thing worth investing in,
>> regardless of the company's fund's actual performance, while putting down
>> even funds that outperform his chosen company's funds. If he did that, it
>> would be considered dishonest and the government would investigate to see
>> if he was taking bribes or kickbacks...because that is typically why
>> someone is so uncritically praising of something in the business world.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Chris Crawford
>> Fine Art Photography
>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>> 260-437-8990
>> 
>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>> 
>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My latest work!
>> 
>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>> Become a fan on Facebook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/13/12 11:16 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Edwin Puts was on the LUG for many years and many of us will personally
>>> vouch for his integrity. Which of course needs none. He is a recognized
>>> optical expert. Is known to at times shoot with Canon cameras and lenes.
>>> And
>>> deserves to not have his professional integrity put to question or
>>> otherwise
>>> casually thrown up for grabs.
>>> Just as much as you'd not deserve to have your broker professionalism
>>> casually thrown up for grabs by a bunch of financial trading dabblers..
>>> 
>>> - - from my iRabs.
>>> Mark Rabiner
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:53:51 +0530
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M Monochrom
>>>> 
>>>> When are we going to get some independent reviewers to test this baby?
>>>> Leica seems to be very careful in whom it gives test cameras/lenses to,
>>>> in
>>>> order not to take risks in the news flow, and keep it unfailingly
>>>> positive!
>>>> Edwin Puts is by no stretch of the imagination an independent reviewer -
>>>> how do his views matter at all, because even if he is right, how do we
>>>> know
>>>> that it is so? Not worth reading at this present time - maybe later for
>>>> an
>>>> insight or two after reading a few independent reviews.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Jayanand
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:39 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Jono Slack's was with present(ish) glass - 50mm Summilux asph, 75mm
>>>>> APO-Summicron and 90mm Elmarit-M.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A test to see at what magnification the 50mm APO-Summicron asph betters
>>>>> the Summilux asph would be useful, if little difference in 16" x 24"
>>>>> what
>>>>> is the need?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Puts has just added to his blog
>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/optics/styled-5/chromatic.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> john
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Everyone is using the new 50.  I wonder how it performs with the other
>>>>> present day and past Leica glass.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aram
>>>>> 
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> For those interested. Of course, Forbes Magazine likes it (-:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As for me, I am waiting for someone who takes part in Print Exchanges
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> buy it, so I can see a print of a photo taken with it!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2012/05/leica-m-monochrom-links/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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