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Subject: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:17:14 -0700
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On Jun 13, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:

> Well, Amateur Photographer magazine did a comparitive review of the Leica 
> M9, Fuji X-Pro 1 and the Sony Nex 7 in their May 26th issue, in case 
> someone is interested.


yes, haven't seen it...results?


Steve


> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 14-Jun-2012, at 1:52 AM, "John McMaster" <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Sean Reid (pay-for site) compared X-100, X-Pro1, M9 and MM with similar
>> treatment.
>> 
>> john
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> One camera system can be judged as nosier than anther but that's just how
>> the image was handled. One can be temped to over sharpen just as one can 
>> be
>> temped to anti noise and sometimes get away with it.
>> But in this case we're looking at full rez file so we can see easier whats
>> been done with it. And in this case too much. Was it Fuji that did it not
>> the photographer? So this was a jpeg? In the interface there was no menu
>> which said how much sharpening? I bet there was. And I bet it was turned 
>> on
>> way too high. It would need perhaps to be set to "low" or "off".
>> And sharpen to taste later.
>> 
>> Its just darned hard to judge a camera systems sharpness and noise 
>> because a
>> tasteful amount is put into the final image by the photographer. And that
>> taste can vary.
>> 
>> - - from my iRabs.
>> Mark Rabiner
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> That is pretty much how Sean Reid analysed it, Fuji are dropping a lot 
>>> of detail information to reduce noise at high ASA.
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> To me it looks anti noised a bit too much. In other worlds it would 
>>> look better noisier. To me its the analog equivalent of putting tissue 
>>> or dirty saran wrap in front of an enlarging lens. You just don't ever 
>>> want to do that. You want to see the real grain which is there becuae 
>>> out of that grain comes the image. Less grain less information which 
>>> is there; we are just now allowed to see it.
>>> In digital its not quite the same. We can anti  noise the noise not 
>>> grain just a tad to take some of the edgy sandpaper ness off until it 
>>> gets to be too much and we are cut off from the information we should 
>>> be seeing in the image. And that in terms of photography from both the 
>>> craft and art sake: a big no no.
>>> It's human nature to want to see all the detail  that was there in the 
>>> original file rather than to have it smoothed over on us into jelly 
>>> bean sauce.
>>> Odds are we'd not be viewing the image at one to one anyway.
>>> 
>>> - - from my iRabs.
>>> Mark Rabiner
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 05:51:03 +0100
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> I have uploaded a 6400iso image at
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gwpics/1X--1075.jpg.html. It is at 
>>>> full resolution. It is a little more noisy than I would normally 
>>>> anticipate but I suspect that this is due to the heavy red lighting 
>>>> chosen by the lighting engineer for this particular gig. All 
>>>> information is in the usual place in the gallery.
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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