Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/26

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Subject: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
From: bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:37:17 +0000
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IF they are true RAW files, then the camera isn't doing anything to them - 
they are simply the data captured by the sensor - no sharpening, no in 
camera "correction." When they are converted to DNG, they are being 
converted to a theoretically lossless compressed format, but, again, are 
unaltered. Then the fun begins. Apparently the Adobe conversion is doing 
something wrong, because the files end up with a weird pattern - a sort of 
checkerboard pattern, with little crosses in the checkerboard squares, and 
dots, that I can see very faintly at 66 percent, and painfully clearly at 
100 percent.
Typed with big fingers on tiny keys

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net>
Sender: lug-bounces+bd=bdcolenphoto.com at leica-users.org
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:24:29 
To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1

Ed - I don't if the X Pro-1 sharpens RAW files in the camera or not.  The 
out-of-camera RAW files are 16 bits.   They're identified as .RAF files.  
Silky Pix RAW saves 8 bit TIFs and JPGs from these files.  The DNG files are 
16 bits.    

Regards, 

Dick



On Jun 26, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Edward Kowaleski wrote:

> It suggests that the Fuji conversion is doing some sharpening in the
> processing.  Is the processing going on in the camera or in the computer
> after you take the chip out of the camera?  Does the Fuji image produce a 
> 16
> Bit Fuji proprietary image (or a TIF) or a PSD file?  I'd be curious.
> 
> Ed
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Richard Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:36 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
> 
> Ed - I can't make a comparison to the Nikon RAW processor since I've never
> used it.   The Fuji RAW processor--at least on the few images I've tried it
> with--seems to produce slightly sharper images but they have noticeable
> splotchy color noise that I do not see using the Adobe RAW converter.  The
> splotchy noise isn't at all bad, but it is noticeable and I'd rather not 
> see
> it at all.  
> 
> I convert all my RAW files to DNG on import just as you do. 
> 
> The camera will be with me when I go to Maine and by then we should know
> whether or not it's going to be a useful platform for my neglected Leica
> lenses.     
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Dick
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Edward Kowaleski wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the update.  I'm looking forward to handling it when I see 
>> you in Bar Harbor.
>> 
>> Do you have an opinion of the quality of images generated from DNG 
>> files that have been converted from proprietary Fuji or Nikon RAW 
>> files?  I know you find the conversion a little (or lots) longer but 
>> is there any qualitative difference?
>> 
>> I have been converting all my Panasonic or Nikon RAW images to DNG as 
>> soon as I take the chip out of the camera.  It makes subsequent 
>> processing and storage simpler (to me) and keeps all my RAW files on 
>> one platform  which I feel confident that Adobe will maintain similar to
> their Acrobat PDF files.
>> I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:29 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
>> 
>> I've had my X Pro-1 for two weeks now and in thought you might be 
>> interested in my impressions of the camera.  There are many images on 
>> line testifying to its excellent image quality at low and high ISO so 
>> I'm not going to add more--at least for now.  What they show is all 
>> true, though, in my experience.
>> 
>> If you've been following the discussions about the camera, not all of this
>> will be new to you.     
>> 
>> In a nutshell, it is the most M-like digital camera I've yet run across.
>> The aperture dial is on the lens where it belongs, ditto for the 
>> shutter speed dial and exposure correction dials on the body, and you 
>> can set the Fn button to bring up ISO settings, so everything you're 
>> likely to need in routine shooting is right out in the open.  The body 
>> is just a bit smaller than the M9 and weighs about half as much.
>> 
>> With the Fujinon lenses, focus is just like the Leica, except it's 
>> automatic.  Aim the focus rectangle in the OVF at the point you want 
>> in focus, half press the shutter, watch the frame lines jump into 
>> place, reframe if necessary and shoot.  Perfect!  When you're close in 
>> you've got to use the lower right focus rectangle to correct for 
>> parallax, but otherwise the procedure is the same.  Focus speed is 
>> more than fast enough, but nowhere near as fast as my Panasonic GX-1.
>> 
>> If you place the focus rectangle correctly, the focus will be spot-on. 
>> 
>> OTH, the camera, despite the inclusion of a "Multi-Spot" mode, really 
>> doesn't have one as far as I've can tell.  If you put it in 
>> Multi-Spot, it will choose the single most contrasty spot in the frame 
>> to focus on, whether it's your subject's eye or a lightbulb in the far 
>> corner of the frame.  I don't see why this method would work under any 
>> circumstances, but maybe one of you can enlighten me.
>> 
>> The only way you can shoot from the hip is to lock focus on an 
>> appropriate middle distance and stop way down, again just as you would do
> with an M.
>> 
>> I can see the frames lines and data in the OVF with my regular glasses on.
>> If I'm wearing polarizing sunglasses and holding the camera horizontally,
>> though, I can't either in the OVF or anything at all in the EVF.   With
> the
>> LCD on the camera back it's the other way around.  It's readable with 
>> the camera horizontal, but not vertical.
>> 
>> Opinions can differ on this of course, but for my purposes LR 4 does a 
>> better job of processing the RAW files than the Fuji RAW converter does.
>> There is less blotchy chroma noise and sharpness is almost as good.  
>> OTH, converting the RAW files to DNG and importing them into LR seems 
>> to take forever, maybe 3-4 times as long as it takes to import files from
> my D300.
>> 
>> The only thing about the camera that drives me nuts is the power switch.
>> Whoever designed it needs to go in for some remedial work on detent
> design.
>> Even the slightest brush of the hand or the side of a camera bags turns
> the
>> camera on.   Bad, bad, bad. 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Dick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Replies: Reply from john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster) ([Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1)
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