Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/09/22
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]FRANK DERNIE OFFERED: Subject: Re: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH????? Hi Doc., 2 things. The lenses you use have good boke, whether you chose them because of that or not... Whether backgrounds are distraction depends both on the background and the framing. You are a master at framing. You have dealt with the problem at source whether conciously or not. ============ Hi Frank, In all my years of buying Leica stuff I simply figured it was the best in the world for my kind of photography. Rarely if ever did any test things!! ..... After all, aren't the lenses the "best in the world" ERGO: Why waste time testing. It was out of box onto camera and get cracking shooting the assignment. The odd time I might shoot a few frames wide open just to see what it looked like wide open and the response was always....... "COOL!" Put it behind you with nary a second thought. Move on to next assignment. :-) So when some of the Lads get into the techie stiff of backgrounds and the myriad of other things that have never crossed my mind shooting hundreds of thousands of images. I've wondered if I might have taken better pictures if I were more skilled at much of the techie stuff? Now that's in the beautiful days and simplicity of film. Today and digital???? It's a whole new ball game in handling the images "after the fact of exposure!" I don't see nor shoot any differently than film. But most certainly have become aware I'm major lacking in computer and software skills. Absolutely no question and I'm the first to admit it! So many on the list have been extremely helpful, so my "tweaking has improved !" :-) But I've always been a recorder of life throughout my career as a photographer, be it film or digi. But the technical aspect? I'm a near total loss! Simply because "CAPTURING THE MOMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE DRIVING FORCE.!" First and foremost. Techie things?????????? Some how I suppose I've been damn lucky to have got away for so long in my fashion. Anyway I read the techie things..... most times I don't have a clue what you lads are talking about. But it is interesting until it drags on three or four days! ;-) ;-) ;-) Then I go out in my garden and look for "Happy Snaps!" :-) :-) thank you all for your patients and assistance! cheers, Dr. ted >________________________________ > From: "tedgrant at shaw.ca" <tedgrant at shaw.ca> >To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2012, 10:41 >Subject: Re: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH????? > >May I put this into a test of shooting a real documentary for one of my >medical books.Those of you who do not have the pleasure of a copy of any of >the three might not have one word to say. > >Here's how I work. > >I'm in scrubs, 3 M cameras around my neck, a couple of motor drive SLR 's >hanging off shoulders with different lenses. And away I go with not one >iota >of a thought other than making sure everything is set for proper exposure! > >Now it is my eye that is canning the scene watching - looking for the >twinkle in an eye just over the mask, the helter skelter of hands holding >instruments, the glint in an eye and doing all this without any techie >thoughts or concerns about bokeh or many other things that always seem to >put the fear of God into others their picture taking. > >Regardless of all the banter about many things.... Bokeh for example, never >ever enters my mind nor nary an incline of thought as I'm concentrating on >the many subjects. > >Just look through any of the book picture pages and point out to me where >the bokeh is a distracting spoiling element in the intensity of the photo >moment. For the life of me I cannot imagine it ever entering thought >process >as a new heart valve is being inserted into the heart of the patient. > >Please by my guest and tell me the plate number of the photo page and point >out the bokeh spoiled photo.... thank you. > >cheers, >Dr. ted :-) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "FRANK DERNIE" <frank.dernie at btinternet.com> >To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:30 AM >Subject: Re: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH????? > > >> The thing is, Mark, you are a night owl. You go out taking pictures in >> low >> light, and prefer to stop down a bit for DoF. >> Not everybody does this. >> I am in bed early and up at dawn. I mainly take pictures in good light, >> and if it is less good I use my lenses wide open. >> I don't care all that much about high iso performance, though I know you >> do. Many are like me, I imagine, though we don't bang on about it thrice >> daily. >> If you shoot frequently wide open it is likely that between 50% and 95% >> of >> the frame is OOF so, for people who do this boke is indeed important for >> the overall look of the print, though of course it is the in-focus bit >> that is important (usually). >> IME the nature of the background makes more difference to the boke than >> the lens itself. Sun through a leafy bush or tree being the most tricky >> IME. I do not keep a lens if I don't like the boke, personally, so it is >> not an issue for me. >> All my Leica lenses have good or excellent boke. Most of my Canon lenses >> do too. A few Nikon lenses have been disappointing and several of the >> Voigtlander rangefinder lenses too. The 50mm f1.5 was very disappointing >> in this regard. >> My habits are very different from yours, so my requirements are also very >> different. >> cheers, >> Frank Dernie >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2012, 8:05 >>>Subject: Re: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH????? >>> >>>In agreement where Ted is coming from the idea of good or bad bokeh being >>>a >>>deal breaker and really the main focus of why to buy one lens over >>>another >>>is so obsurd it makes my teeth hurt. Far more important would seem to be >>>to >>>focus ones attention on what's in focus. >>>Vibration reduction is a huge thing. Huge. >>>A paradigm shifter big time. >>>If its conceivably possible that it would effect the out of focus areas >>>of >>>the image my big thought on the issue is: who the hell cares? You're hand >>>holding a 30omm lens at a 50th of a second I say that's a reason to >>>celebrate. And a reason to go out and make images like you never could >>>before. Or stay in and do it in your living room... turn the lights down >>>low. Not have to use a wide. Do a portrait session with a 90mm and >>>candlelight. >>> >>>Mark William Rabiner >>>Photography >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information