Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/01/31
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree here, it is simply a matter of taste (or it is in my case). Pictures of people made with lenses wider than 35m look horrible to me, and I am not that keen on 35mm either, 50 being my preference. I -still- think the only reason press photogs use WA lenses is to get everything in after they have pushed in front of everyone else, and the results always look poor, but are OK for news value.? cheers, FD >________________________________ > From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013, 8:14 >Subject: Re: [Leica] Shanghai market part 2 > >When they say in effect if your work is weak get closer they're not saying >crop more. They're saying? get closer. >I think the reason why both press and street photographers have gone wide >and close in their work is the rapport they have with their subjects while >doing it. To be off shooting them from across the street is in a way creepy >and ineffective. For decades its been a close in kind of deal. > >Don't recall you mentioning, Frank? working with lens like? an older version >of the just announced Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-35mm F3.5-4.5G ED? which is a >full frame version of the 12-24 f4 DX's from a few years ago which I have a >lot of experience with. And a more advanced updated version of the >venerable Leica 21mm?35mm f/3.5?f/4.0 Vario-Elmar-R zoom . >http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/21mm?35mm_f/3.5?f/4.0_ >Vario-Elmar-R > >The reason a press photog goes with a wide for a hundred years now is so the >other cameras are not in front of him but working in the street more >recently its about the? other people are in the way not? so much other >photographers.? Street shooters like to be in the center of the action so >they can pic who is in the center of their fame. The dynamics are way more >lively. Its not the crowd across the street its the guy real big in the >frame in the foreground and the other guys are real small and sure off to >the side they have watermelons for heads but we're all good with that by >now. > >I thought it was by the way a simple issue at day one period of the Graflex >SLR giving way to the Speed Graphics to avoid getting the backs of other >photographers in the very early Part of the last century. >But it was also the Speed Graphics giving way to the Crown graphics which >were thinner with no focal plane shutter enabling the use of wider glass. >And that was in 1947. > > >On 1/31/13 2:34 AM, "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Why do you think that a longer lens is weaker? >> IMO the perspective distortion inevitable in WA lenses is poor for people >> shots, and even though the hideous technical difficulty of producing a >> reasonably sharp WA lens has been largely solved, they are still very >> expensive for what you get. >> I can understand a press photographer using one when there are 5 billion >> other >> photographers milling around the same subject, get in front of the others >> and >> still get everything in, but it is just that - get the news shot, not get >> a >> -good- shot. IMHO of course. >> >> If you get close in with a WA lens you are in peoples faces, which is rude >> (maybe its just my upbringing), and you get ugly shots. >> >> IMO the -only- reason anybody would use WA for people is the press guy >> needing >> to get the shot in crowded conditions. >> FD >> >> On 31 Jan, 2013, at 05:47, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> >>> Seriously it looks like you had a 50mm viewfinder in your hot shoe and a >>> 24mm lens in your camera and now your fixing it. The cropped versions are >>> successful images. They came out even better than I thought. >>> You need to stand closer to what your shooting. >>> A second option being shoot with a longer lens but I do feel that's way >>> weaker. >>> >>> >>> On 1/30/13 5:08 PM, "David English" <daveenglish at icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> For you who have viewed this collection before and made constructive >>>> comments >>>> I went ahead and made the suggested adjustments on many of the photos. I >>>> posted the before and after right next to each other so you can swing >>>> back >>>> and >>>> forth. >>>> >>>>>> http://www.davidenglishphotos.com/Travel/Shanghai-Market/27782250_3tTZjC#! >>>>>> i= >>>>>> 2342544201&k=nVw3BZv >>>> >>>> >>>> Let me know what you think. >>>> Thanks, >>>> David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > >-- >Mark William Rabiner >Photography >http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >