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Subject: [Leica] M Monochrom review in PDN
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:58:42 -0400

I had read that somehow the medium format digital guys do not expose for the
highs. Cant see why.  I certainly don't change my technique exposure wise
when I shoot medium format film. So as  a totally non experienced medium
format digital guy I just have to bide my time as wait till I find out the
mystery if there is one.


On 6/23/13 6:28 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree. My default is to have EV set at -1/3. With some platforms you can 
> set
> what pure white is on the in camera histogram. True for the new M240. 
> Instead
> of clipping showing at 255/255/255 you can set it for 250 or 253 or 
> whatever.
> 
> There was a big stink about ETTR (expose to the right) awhile ago started 
> by
> Michael Riechman and Co.  I understood the logic and math, but many people
> started exposing their histograms and highlights were blown. I remember one
> fellow who was showing prints with totally blown cloud centers. He thought 
> his
> images were fantastic because he had more information to work with because 
> he
> had really exposed to the right...
> 
> So rarely clip is my working mantra: only with bright reflections
> intentionally. Shadows have tons more to recover...
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes and that's why if what I just clicked is something I really want to 
>> have
>> come out I check the back of the camera to make sure the high tones are
>> fully there. Check the histogram even. If not I  set the exposure over 
>> ride
>> down a bit more and click it again.
>> If I click on something in which I totally don't care then maybe I wont
>> check it as I'm walking away. And have regretted doing that.
>> As why I'm  I shooting it if I don't care? Best to trust our instincts
>> I err on the side of under exposure for sure.
>> Have great luck in bring up stuff out of the darks. Not the opposite..
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/22/13 11:52 PM, "John McMaster" <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am not disagreeing with you, but with colour digital it is unusual to 
>>> have
>>> all three colours blown out so some recovery is possible. A blown 
>>> highlight
>>> on
>>> a Monochrom is pure white with no tonal recovery, but I have not found 
>>> it a
>>> huge issue in practice.
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> 
>>>> Another thought which caught me on his thing is he says the camera is 
>>>> not
>>>> tolerant of over exposure.
>>>> I'm wondering what camera was he using which WAS tolerant of over
>>>> exposure?
>>>> As as far as I know all digital cameras are very similar to shooting
>>>> slides.
>>>> You don't over expose them. You place your high tones carefully and let 
>>>> the
>>>> dark tones fall where they may.
>>>> A statement like "this camera is not tolerant of over exposure" makes me
>>>> thing this is not a guy who has gotten into digital really.
>>>> I read him widely during the film era. I hope he's really  making the
>>>> transition.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/21/13 10:32 AM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Great review by Mason Resnick!  I agree with almost everything he says
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tina
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Greg Rubenstein <gcr910 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> PDN finally got around to it, I guess.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.pdnonline.com/gear/Camera-Review-Leica-
>>>> 8353.shtml?utm_sour
>>>>>> ce=Silve
>>>> rpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=41858219&utm_term=96312&ut
>>>> m_conten
>>>>>> t=
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greg Rubenstein
>>> 
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