Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2016/06/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The new firmware is downwards compatible with the old sensor. The new sensor needs the new firmware, So yes the fact that the latest firmware is present is not a good sign that the new sensor is installed. regards Meino de Graaf On 6/2/2016 6:54 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This is confusing, though. How can the firmware version indicate the > sensor? What if I have an M9 with the original sensor and just update the > firmware myself? > It seems from Douglas post that it is safer to go by date of replacement. > > Cheers, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> > http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> > Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator > <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> > YNWA > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 01 Jun 2016, at 23:30, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: >> >> Douglas, >> >> From the latest posting I could find, the best clue is the Firmware >> number. Apparently, if the new corrosion-less sensor is installed, they >> update the Firmware to 1.204. The previous version, for the earlier >> sensor, is 1.202. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> >> On 6/1/2016 4:19 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote: >>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Update-CCD-Sensor >>> >>> *Dated 31/08/2015:* >>> >>> >>> /"Update CCD Sensor of the Leica M9/M9-P/M >>> Monochrom and M-E camera models/ >>> >>> // >>> >>> /We are very pleased to inform you that we have successfully completed >>> development on our new generation of CCD sensors and conducted >>> subsequent quality assurance testing under practical conditions. As a >>> result, Leica Camera AG can now begin replacing the sensors in the M9, >>> M9-P and M-E models that were affected by corrosion with sensors from >>> the new generation./ >>> >>> /Sensor replacement for M Monochrom models will also begin shortly. We >>> will inform you of the precise date of this as soon as possible./ >>> >>> /On this note, we would like to remind our customers that we can only >>> offer replacements for CCD sensors for cameras affected by this >>> particular problem; prophylactic replacement is not possible./ >>> >>> /We thank you for your patience and for your loyalty to the Leica >>> brand."/ >>> >>> Unfortunately, it doesn?t say exactly from when the "new generation" >>> replacements are being installed. But it seems to indicate that any >>> replacements made before 31 August 2015 must have been with older >>> generation sensors. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Douglas >>> >>> >>> On 01.06.2016 23:03, Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> Nathan & Douglas, >>>> >>>> A search turned up this: >>>> >>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258531-m9-sensor/ >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> >>>> On 6/1/2016 3:53 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>> I have no idea when the cutover date was. I am basing my statements on >>>>> Peter Klein?s post. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Nathan >>>>> >>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>> YNWA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 22:43, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Nathan, I'll pick your brain if I might as a Google search has failed >>>>>> to clarify this. >>>>>> I didn't realise the sensor replacement was date critical. The >>>>>> private one near me here in Ireland had its sensor replaced 6 months >>>>>> ago by Leica. I presume that's ok? If so, I just might make him an >>>>>> offer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Douglas >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at >>>>>> frozenlight.eu> >>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:22 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks to all who have replied. So the story is not that simple?not >>>>>>> only do I need to know whether the sensor has been replaced but also >>>>>>> whether it has been replaced with the old one or the new one. I have >>>>>>> asked the seller when the replacement got done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And no, I do not want to deal with the hassle of sending a camera to >>>>>>> Germany and then waiting for who knows how long. My previous >>>>>>> experience sending my M8 for repair back in 2009 or 10 was not that >>>>>>> great. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 14:22, Frank Verizon 2 2016 <red735i at >>>>>>>> verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would buy the one that has not had the sensor replaced, if I >>>>>>>> could determine the replacement is required. Then I would send it >>>>>>>> in for sensor replacement, getting the complete camera checked out >>>>>>>> and adjusted for free. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are those that would say buying a non-current digicam is >>>>>>>> silly. You are buying old technology. Not as good. My argument is >>>>>>>> that if it does the job you want, when you buy it, the age of the >>>>>>>> technology is not relevant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The M9 has proven itself to me to be reliable and a great back end >>>>>>>> for Leica glass. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> $2500 is a bargain >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at >>>>>>>> frozenlight.eu> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have always said that once the M9 prices come down to a level >>>>>>>> that I am prepared to pay, I will buy one. Well, in the past week I >>>>>>>> have seen two for sale, for $2500 and $2200, respectively. The one >>>>>>>> I saw this morning has had the sensor replaced. Those prices are >>>>>>>> within my range, but I now have doubts about reliability. Clearly, >>>>>>>> buying an M9 that has not had a sensor replacement is out of the >>>>>>>> question; but in case one has had it, is the new sensor reliable?or >>>>>>>> is it just a matter of time before it starts rotting just like the >>>>>>>> original one did? And are there other reliability issues besides >>>>>>>> the sensor? 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