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Subject: [Leica] Fwd: Re: Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD NOT use Leica......
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 01:11:24 -0700
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Knock on wood, my M9 is still hanging tough, after almost 37000 exposures.
I am hoping that it won't develop the sensor crap. Can't afford to not to
have it for 2 months+!

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 12:48 AM, photo photo <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:

> Indeed. I was planning to buy a second-hand M9 or M240 at some point, but
> with
> stories like this, I am put off buying any modern Leica body. The M2 I have
> seems reliable enough ;-)
>
> It is sad to see that Leica has lost its way with quality control,
> apparently.
> For the record, I started taking photography seriously in 1985 and bought
> my
> first digital camera in 2004. During those years I have owned equipment
> from
> Pentax, Ricoh, Fuji, Canon, Leica, Panasonic, Hasselblad, Mamiya, Rollei.
> The
> only brand that I have had to send for repair is Leica. This does not mean
> that
> I do not enjoy shooting with Leica--I do--just as I enjoyed driving the
> BMW I
> had in Belgium in the 1990s even though it left me stranded at the side of
> the
> road more often than any other car I have owned.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nathan
>
> >
> >     ---------- Original Message ----------
> >     From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com>
> >     To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >     Date: 07 October 2016 at 09:27
> >     Subject: Re: [Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or
> SHOULD
> > NOT use Leica......
> >
> >     All of which makes me wonder about the economic model of the firm -
> > charging premium prices for unreliable gear that you then repair for free
> > makes little sense to me.
> >     It gets even worse for the user who suffers long delays and has to
> pay for
> > it all.
> >     I understand Frank's rant as a result.
> >
> >     Amities
> >     Philippe
> >
> >     Le 7 oct. 2016 ? 09:09, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> a ?crit :
> >
> >     > Trying to work out where your hold-up is, Solms/Wetzlar have sent
> my kit
> >     > back within a day or so of completion. In the last 12 months, three
> >     > sensors (M9, original Monochrom and S2-P, plus currently on my
> third S
> >     > AF failure), all carried out free including shipping.....
> >     >
> >     > john
> >     >
> >     > -----Original Message-----
> >     >
> >     > John.. are you REALLY willing to pull my chain when I am basically
> >     > exploding over this issue?????
> >     >
> >     > Really????????????
> >     >
> >     > Frank Filippone
> >     > Red735i at verizon.net
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > -----Original Message-----
> >     > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at 
> > leica-users.org]
> On
> >     > Behalf Of John McMaster
> >     > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 1:58 PM
> >     > To: Leica Users Group
> >     > Subject: Re: [Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or
> SHOULD
> >     > NOT use Leica......
> >     >
> >     > Leica Wetzlar or NJ? I had my M9 sensor replaced on an eight week
> >     > turnaround door to door....
> >     >
> >     > john
> >     >
> >     > -----Original Message-----
> >     > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.fr at leica-users.org] 
> > On
> >     > Behalf Of Frank Filippone
> >     > Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2016 8:57 p.m.
> >     > To: 'Leica Users Group'
> >     > Subject: [Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or
> SHOULD NOT
> >     > use Leica......
> >     >
> >     > My M9 is STILL at Leica?.
> >     >
> >     > 2 weeks ago Tuesday I was told it would ship that day.
> >     >
> >     > Waited a week, checked, and they were going to ship it THAT day
> >     >
> >     > Checked yesterday, it will ship that day
> >     >
> >     > Today, it is still at Leica and will ship today??
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > It is like the old joke? Free Beer.. Manana
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Today?s story is that I will get tracker number this afternoon?..
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > I made 4 calls today to reach someone.. the previous ?record? was
> 10
> >     > calls?.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > And you wonder why only (who cares if it is an exaggeration?.!)
> rich
> >     > amateurs can afford Leica??????? Pros can not be bothered with the
> >     > hassle?..
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > It is not a matter of not having a camera to shoot with ( the A7
> and the
> >     > MM can do the job)
> >     >
> >     > It is MY camera, and I want it back?..
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > As an amateur, I am entitled to absolutely NO special service?.. no
> >     > rush, no nada.
> >     >
> >     > The camera was sent to Leica on July 8. In case you are going to
> >     > calculate, that is 3 months.
> >     >
> >     > It has been sitting on the shelf at Leica, repaired, for at least a
> >     > week, probably 2 weeks?.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > The problem was that the glass cover plate over the sensor fell
> off?
> >     > loose?. On the 8th day of a 42 day vacation.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Please. No comments on how you got your Leica back in 4 seconds,
> all
> >     > fixed, from a basket case of screws nuts and bolts?..
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > My previous experience was an M6 sent on for repair, and when it
> got
> >     > back, the body case was so badly bent that a film cassette would
> not
> >     > fit?
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Are these guys really serious about getting market share?
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > If you NEED to have your camera functional, maybe a Nikon or Canon
> >     > really is a better choice?.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Rant off.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Frank Filippone
> >     >
> >     > Red735i at verizon.net
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > _______________________________________________
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> information
> >
> >
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> >
>
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