Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2017/06/16
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Medium format, you just type it end to end On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Back to back, Shiny side to shiny side. You can wet your finger and see > which side sticks - in the dark. > Emulsion sides out. 35mm only. Does not work with medium format. > > > -- > > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > > On 6/15/17, 1:53 PM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of > lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: > > Mark, > > Thanks again! I was sometimes tempted to put 2 films on the same reel, > maybe I wil intend it. > > Concerning the water, I don?t know which is the PH of the Barcelona?s > water, for developing I use distilled water (desionized water) mixed with > all chemicals (Developer, Stop Bath and Fixer), the city water was with > some nini partices that made small spots on the film, visibles on scanning > process (not in the darkroom), I suppose it will work well ? > > Best! > Lluis > > > > > El 15 juny 2017, a les 18:31, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > va escriure: > > > > Lluis I used to roll my film back to back two rolls in the same > reel! And taught my assistants to do it. A few of them were incredulous. I > got this from a Bill Pierce column in Popular photography in the early 70?s > it worked. > > But it makes Kodak?s recommendations as to limits of Xtol and puts > them in the dust. > > I ran 8 rolls of 35mm film in a liter or quart of 1:3 Xtol. > > Then dumped it down the drain. My times where close to what they > should have been. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark William Rabiner > > Photographer > > > > On 6/15/17, 10:40 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of > lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Mark, > > > > Thank you for useful information, very interesting to learn it! > You mention Delta 400, yes it is a great film, I?ve not use it after a > while and just the past days I was in the darkroom enlarging, the pics with > this one was very fine. > > > > Your recomendation about testing dilution is also very > interesting to follow. > > > > Thank you > > Lluis > > > > > > > >> El 15 juny 2017, a les 14:25, Mark Rabiner <mark at > rabinergroup.com> > va escriure: > >> > >> If you Bing it or Google it for 15 minutes you?ll see the top, > smart, nice, funny spiritual people are all at 1:3. The ones whose prints > sold for the most money and who dressed better. > >> Diluting Xtol 1:3 instead of 1:2 ads a couple of more minutes to it > its way worth it. With that you get better edge caracteristics which is > directly linked to higher dilution. And other advantages I was using 1:2 > for a while and my prints were obviously worse. > >> > >> By the way in my college in the early 70?s in St. Louis, we did us > students who were always in the darkroom an unusual thing which I?d never > heard of other places. We all ran our film in D76 1:2 instead of 1:1. The > students who came in in the beginning of the year and ran the recommended > 1:1 and universal default had prints you could spot across the room as > being way less sharp. Way less edge. And way less sharp grain. But a tad > less grain. And they were not very nice people who told bad jokes. It > looked like they were shooting with Spiratone lenes. > >> A good policy is to dilute until you hit a point when you?re seeing > uneven development in your negs. Washed out areas. Then you back up a > notch. But you?ll ahead of time see what everyone else is doing. > >> Neopan Acros 100 Xtol 1:3 16? minutes 70 degrees? agitation every > minute and the first full minute. > >> All film listed here is 1:3 70 degrees F, agitation every minute 10 > seconds and the first full minute. > >> Delta 100 14? > >> Delta 3200 16? > >> Delta 400 14? Neopan 1600 RIP my main film when out and about > shooting for myself. Even with a Noctilux. 12 minutes and looks like an > iso 100 film. And here you are shooting it on the street. No tripod. I used > it for on location commercial jobs no flash or tripod. The 100 with the > studio strobes in the studio. Delta 100 from Ilford as just about as good. > >> Neopan Acros 100 16 ? as high a rez film anyone would ever want or > need in Xtol 1:3 > >> Get a tank so you can develop 8 rolls at a time or I can see your > point and wanting to keep shorter times. > >> You?ll shoot more with a big boy tank. > >> Pan F 50, they still make it. 12? > >> Tri X 400 11? > >> Tri X Pro 320 in 120 or 220 format, 15? > >> All the other times here is for 35mm format. Times are different > for different formats why no one knows. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Mark William Rabiner > >> Photographer > >> > >> On 6/15/17, 7:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of > lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Chris, Dan > >> > >> I will do 1+1 on my next two films, I want avoid long develping > times. I?ve used HC110 many years ago, but I liked better ID11/D76 > >> > >> Cheers > >> Lluis > >> > >> > >> > >>> El 15 juny 2017, a les 11:49, Christopher Crawford < > chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> va escriure: > >>> > >>> Its been years since I used Xtol. I never really liked the > tonality as > >>> much as D-76, though Xtol does give finer grain. I got best results > >>> diluted 1+1. > >>> > >>> Be careful with higher dilutions. Kodak, when it first came out, > listed > >>> times for 1+2 and 1+3 dilutions. A lot of photographers got > severely > >>> underdeveloped negs with those dilutions, using Kodak?s times. > Turns out, > >>> Xtol cannot stand being diluted that much unless you develop the > film in a > >>> much larger tank than you normally need. I think there had to be > 200ml of > >>> stock in the diluted developer for each roll, so for 1+3 > developing, you > >>> could do only one roll in a 32ox tank that could hold four rolls! > >>> > >>> Kodak published the minimum stock quantity needed but a lot of > people > >>> ignored it and complained, so they just stopped publishing the > times for > >>> the higher dilutions! > >>> > >>> I actually have a copy in PDF format of the original Xtol info > booklet, > >>> but the times would be off for Kodak films now since Kodak > reformulated > >>> Tri-X and the Tmax films since then. They did publish times for > Ilford > >>> films, which might still work if you?re interested in seeing it. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris Crawford > >>> Fine Art Photography > >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana > >>> 260-437-8990 > >>> > >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > >>> > >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > >>> Become a fan on Facebook > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 6/15/17, 5:15 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" > >>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on > behalf of > >>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I don?t have a large experience with Xtol, I?ve used for years > ID11/D76. > >>>> I?ve developed my two last films of Bergger Pancro 400 in Xtol > Stock at > >>>> the recomended time, but I?m unhappy with the results. I?ve used > it in > >>>> stock to get the shortest developing time and minimize the grain > effect. > >>>> > >>>> I would like hear your experiences with Xtol, I mainly use FP4 > and HP5. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks in advance > >>>> > >>>> Lluis > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- "Some People Drive, We Are Driven" // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> richardmanphoto on Facebook and Instagram <https://instagram.com/richardmanphoto>