Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2018/05/16
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Uncle Ted correct as usual. On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG < lug at leica-users.org> wrote: > Ted, > For most of your illustrious career, you obviously just handed over the > roll of exposed film to a guy in the newspaper/magazine darkroom, and he > did the rest, so I guess that was a perfect KISS. I agree, I would not mind > having such a facility to turn to in these digital times, but > unfortunately, not having one, I am forced to do my own dirty work! ? > > My view is that a RAW image is like an unexposed roll of film, which can > then be processed a million different ways instead of just one fixed way. > Being of a curious bent of mind, and not having to do this for a living, as > well as having ample time to spare, I enjoy tinkering around with myriad > different approaches when processing an image..That is brilliant and > extremely enjoyable. Nothing in the world will let me forego that > flexibility and pleasure as far as photography is concerned. > > By the way, This had to be done twice, when developing and printing, with a > pretty much hit or miss method, with really nasty chemicals, even in the > old days. There was no element of KISS about it, it was hard difficult > work, and any correction was a major PITA! > > Cheers > Jayanand > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:23 PM, Aram via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> > wrote: > > > Hi Ted, and happy Almost Birthday. > > > > If we all had your talent, Adobe would be out of business. But I will > bet > > even you did a few things in the darkroom to improve your negatives. Am > I > > right? But that was a negative where the camera did absolutely nothing. > > A > > real RAW image. Today's cameras do have to perform a bit of magic just > to > > get the image from the sensor to the card in a from the computer can > read. > > And they do make rank novices seem like they actually know something > about > > photography. > > > > Aram > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ted Grant > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:32 PM > > To: 'Leica Users Group' > > Subject: Re: [Leica] It's all your fault > > > > Hi Nathan, > > Absolutely screwing around with all the dickie doo dad computer > > possibilities means only one thing? > > "THE PHOTOGRAPHER SCREWED UP TO START WHEN HE OR SHE WENT CLICK!" > > Most of the time while reading e-mails regarding the crew's photos and > > using > > the fixer-up things? Hell I don't have a clue what you're talking about. > > When I shoot stuff, 99.9%,it's tap "print key" and what comes out first > is > > what you get! :-) > > I mean, doesn't all this new fangled stuff supposed to be automatically > > fixing images? > > I've always attempted to shoot it right the first time without screwing > > around attempting TO FIX a screwed-up photo first taken. > > Besides me being 89 yrs. on MAY 27.2018! > > I figure I can't be bothered screwing around "fixing?" a fat ass photo > > poorly shot the first click? > > Have a good day everyone. > > Dr. Ted Grant O.C. > > ============================== > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On > Behalf > > Of > > Nathan Wajsman > > Sent: May-13-18 11:43 AM > > To: Leica Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Leica] It's all your fault > > > > Right on. I do not even have Photoshop anymore. LR is more than enough. > If > > I > > have to spend 1/2 hour manipulating an image in a piece of software to > > make > > it look decent, then I have screwed up at the time of taking the picture. > > > > Cheers, > > Nathan > > > > Nathan Wajsman > > Alicante, Spain > > http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> > > http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu > > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > > <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > > <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> > > Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator > > <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> > > YNWA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 May 2018, at 20:29, Aram via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Seldom and with resentment? I don't think so. I will wager that most > > > people who use LR use it as their main tool for photography. I so > > rarely > > > go > > > to PS now. LR is so much easier and does 99.9% of what I want to do. > I > > > import directly into it, organize, keyword, name my photos there. Do > > > almost > > > all my processing there, with the exception of blending photos for > Depth > > > of > > > Field, and the rare major editing I need to do as far as removing > objects > > > that I could not perform while taking the photo or in LR. I do all my > > > printing and exporting to share in LR. Photoshop is ALMOST a waste of > > > time > > > and hard drive space. ALMOST.... > > > > > > It took a while to get there from PS, but starting with the first > > version > > > of > > > LR, and getting use to the mindset of nondestructive editing, there is > no > > > resentment in using LR. The only resentment is towards the > subscription > > > model that Adobe and others have started to use. > > > > > > Aram > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mark Rabiner > > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 12:41 AM > > > To: Leica Users Group > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] It's all your fault > > > > > > The reason why everyone does not switch and join up right off the bat > is > > > because we're talking about software that a large percentage of people > > use > > > seldom and with resentment. They'd rather just skip it. > > > What's wanted is for photography now to be like in the good old days > when > > > you clicked it and forgot it. Just remember which drug store you > brought > > > it > > > too. People want a hands off approach to photography. They want it un > > > touched by human hands especially their own.. > > > It's one thing to buy cheap software but paying for it every month > seems > > > like one is sending off the wrong message. And the message is "I can't > be > > > bothered". And they really want everyone who does care to hear it. > Often. > > > The majority of photo enthusiasts could more accurately be called > camera > > > enthusiasts who could more accurately be called money enthusiasts. > > > You can't really call them camera lovers as cameras just pass though > > their > > > hands like its nothing. > > > Making a commitment to the final result of their images is so far > beyond > > > the > > > point it's not even funny. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Mark William Rabiner > > > Photographer > > > > > > ?On 5/12/18, 10:55 PM, "LUG on behalf of Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG" > > > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of > > > lug at leica-users.org> wrote: > > > > > > I still cannot, for the life of me, understand why everybody does > not > > > switch, it is that convenient and at a very reasonable cost. Is > > cutting > > > your nose to spite your face standard practice? > > > > > > As John Maynard Keynes once replied to a reporter who accused him of > > > changing his mind - "If the facts change, sir, I change my mind. > Pray > > > what > > > do you do?" :-) > > > > > > Cheers > > > Jayanand > > > > > > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 3:12 AM, Brian Reid > > > <reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Well, I just drank the kool-aid (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > > >> Drinking_the_Kool-Aid if you don't know what that means), and then > > > bought > > >> a year's subscription to Adobe CC. There were too many "last straw" > > >> situations and I found I was wasting time trying to find workarounds. > > >> > > >> I know I can still use my trusty Photoshop CS6 and Dreamweaver CS6 if > > >> needed, but InDesign CS6 is generating warning messages from the > > > operating > > >> system and Camera Raw CS6 fell out of its wheelchair. > > >> > > >> Thanks for all of the commentary and opinions. > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Leica Users Group. > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Leica Users Group. > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Leica Users Group. > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >