Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/11/10
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Steve When I was growing up we had a family friend who survived the Bataan Death March. It looks as if Mr. Powell was Army Air Corps, same as my Dad. (also a POW but of the Germans. Another very poignant image, especially in these times. Walt Steve Barbour wrote: > > On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Walt Johnson wrote: > >> Steve >> >> When the image is cropped it becomes much cleaner looking. But, even >> though it is cleaner it is not as real. An uncropped b&w version, at >> least to me, makes it better. Otherwise, its seems to take a graphic >> exercise appeal and lose it's "glimpse of reality" No matter what >> you decide, it is a real keeper. :-) > > > > I see what you mean Walt...it's really a hard call....I lean to the > cropped color version... but in bw I favor the whole scene... oh > well, thanks for your thoughts..they are very valuable to me... > > here is another from the same place... for today, veteran's day... > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/pow.jpg.html > > > a keeper... ? too simple and cryptic....? > > maybe I should post it separately... > > Steve > >> >> Walt >> >> Steve Barbour wrote: >> >>> >>> On Nov 10, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Ted Grant wrote: >>> >>>> Steve Barbour showed revised versions: >>>> Subject: [Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II >>>> >>>> >>>>> several people wisely suggested a crop, and I did this... >>>>> also several wondered about which is best, color vs bw.... >>>>> so do I... what do you think ? >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/cross+flower.jpg.html >>>>> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/cross >>>>> +flowerbw.jpg.html<<<< >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve a very interesting comparison indeed, both cropping and >>>> colour vs. B&W. >>>> >>>> Pre-crop: >>>> I "almost" like the more open feel about it and can say "I like >>>> it un-cropped". Almost! Even though I thought the crop would be >>>> better I'm now questioning it. But the right side is a >>>> distraction, so maybe if you had cropped it first and posted it >>>> cropped, then we'd not have the opportunity to see it both ways. >>>> >>>> Cropped: >>>> But even with the crop done right on the mark, I now have this >>>> feeling it's jammed too tightly together. Unfortunately this >>>> happens sometimes in photography. And I'd have to accept the >>>> cropped version simply because the items on the right are without >>>> question a distraction. >>>> >>>> I suppose if one were to put their "honesty as a photojournalist" >>>> aside for a moment and clonned over the disturbing pieces then >>>> the crammed space wouldn't be there and the picture would be >>>> fine. However, as photojournalists that's not our cup of tea. >>>> >>>> So it needs to either stay cropped, or maybe try to burn the >>>> right side down to a slightly darker level to cut the >>>> distraction. Not dark dark, but subtly. >>>> >>>> The conversion to B&W does absolutely nothing for the picture at >>>> all. This is due to the yellow flower playing such a strong part >>>> of the over all picture in colour that it doesn't have in B&W. >>>> Actually it merely becomes a distracting blob of white waiting to >>>> be "spotted out!" >>>> >>>> Given this situation is on a list there will be at least 809 >>>> versions, 3 in agreement, and 3 who don't care. ;-) >>>> >>>> However, I still want to see the picture of you throwing the >>>> yellow flower precisely where it is for maximum effect of >>>> composition! ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> NOT... >>> >>> >>> thanks Ted... I learned a lot from this exercise, >>> >>> >>> and one of the things I learned earlier, never change the >>> composition to enhance the shot... >>> >>> >>> and if you do never admit it....Steve >>> >>>> >>>> ted >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >