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Subject: [Leica] Better bokeh?
From: douglas.sharp at gmx.de (Douglas Sharp)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:20:08 +0200
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Jim,

You assume correctly, the Canon couldn't care less about cams :-)  
So no problem at all.

Cheers
Douglas

James Laird wrote:
> Is there any significant difference, image-wise, in the Canadian vs
> German cron 50?
>
> Or between the 2-cam and 3-cam versions? Since I'll be using this on a
> Canon body with adapter, I assume the 2-cam and 3-cam will both work
> equally well.
>
> Jim
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Philippe Amard <philippe.amard at 
> sfr.fr> wrote:
>   
>> More bokeh cron 50 and elmarit 60 takes here, plus various D-Leica,
>> Ang?nieux and Oly flowers
>>
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Kenzonian+Bokeh+_1+sur+1_.jpg.html
>>
>> This one is a fairly relevant example of the sharpness and flaws of the
>> lens, I guess
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/164790-1/FF-Iris-For+Missus-original-1090999-2.jpg
>>
>> Hard to tell what bokeh means by the way.
>> Depends on what and how you want to shoot too.
>>
>> Bien cordialement de Metz
>> Philippe
>>
>>
>> Jim Nichols wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Yes, if you are referring to the yellow lily, I beleive it is typical of
>>> the Summicron.  There is one other in the gallery, made with the 
>>> Summicron,
>>> that I feel is the best that I have achieved. The link is below:
>>>
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhody+by+Summicron.tif.html
>>>
>>> I don't think this lens will disappoint you.
>>>
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Laird" <digiratidoc at 
>>> gmail.com>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Better bokeh?
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> I think the bokeh in your first Summicron image is superb. Is this
>>>> typical with this lens in your experience?
>>>>
>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Yellow+Lily+2.tif.html>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at 
>>>> lighttube.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Prior to getting the Leica-R lenses, I was experimenting with some
>>>>> Pentax
>>>>> Takumars that I had available. For pure OOF areas, I suspect that the
>>>>> Taks
>>>>> were as nice as the Leicas. I got the Leica lenses because the in-focus
>>>>> performance is better than anything else that I have found.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the different versions of the Summicron, I can't answer. IIRC,
>>>>> mine
>>>>> is a 3-cam, with a retractable shade.
>>>>>
>>>>> Takumar bokeh:
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Fuchsia_Blooms_sm.jpg.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Zuiko 14-54 bokeh:
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Old Hannimex 135:
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Ruby+Throat+Female.tif.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Another with 60/2.8 Elmarit-R:
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Watchful+Hummer.jpg.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Laird" <digiratidoc at 
>>>>> gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:41 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Better bokeh?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Thanks Jim, those are outstanding images, but I'm not really
>>>>>> interested in how 'sharp' the images is but rather the juxtaposition
>>>>>> of the somewhat sharp to the absolutely out of focus areas of the
>>>>>> image. That's why I'm interested in which lens offers the best
>>>>>> 'bokeh'. Is there any difference in bokeh between the different
>>>>>> versions of the 50/2.0 Summicron 1,2, and 3 cam lenses? If so, which
>>>>>> offers the best, smoothest out of focus image. And will the famous
>>>>>> Leica 'bokeh' make a significant difference over my antiquated Canon
>>>>>> 50/1.8?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at 
>>>>>> lighttube.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am using the 50/2.0 Summicron-R, and the 60/2.8 Elmarit-R Macro. 
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> bokeh is fine at large apertures with both of them. The advantage of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 60
>>>>>>> is that one can focus down to about 10 inches, though the DOF at that
>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>> is VERY shallow. The following images in my gallery might give you 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>> of what to expect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My first post using the Elmarit:
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.jpg.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A similar post with the Summicron:
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Yellow+Lily+2.tif.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Laird"
>>>>>>> <digiratidoc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:18 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Better bokeh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Which R lens in the 'standard' range (50-60mm) has the best bokeh?
>>>>>>>> I've found an interest in the macro world and shoot a lot with my 
>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>> trusty Canon 50 1.8 with a Kenko 12mm extension tube resulting in
>>>>>>>> shots like
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/digiratidoc/Bokeh/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm interested in trying out an R lens due to Leicas legendary 
>>>>>>>> bokeh.
>>>>>>>> Which one is the 'best', if there is such a thing?
>>>>>>>>
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