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Subject: [Leica] M9 Internal IR-Cut filter make the camera fragile to use?
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:51:49 -0800
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On Dec 19, 2009, at 2:46 AM, Frank Dernie wrote:

> My WATE works fine on the M9. I always assume a lens with an exit pupil 
> extremely close to the sensor will be too extreme to be compensated, so 
> the 15mm CV almost certainly won't work, though I took a few shots with my 
> 12mm and it seems not bad, I preferred uncorrected. Depending on the 
> subject the shortcomings may not be noticed at all. It was pretty obvious 
> that the Zeiss 21mm f4.5 would be unsuitable for digital

I'm sorry Frank, I don't follow... why is that and does it apply to the 
Leica 21/2.8 Elmarit ASPH on the M9....?

Does that apply to use with the appropriate external viewfinder?  



thanks, Steve



> , thank goodness they have eventually said so, I think it is pretty unfair 
> for Zeiss and CV to sell customers lenses suitable for film not digital 
> and not make it clear on the packaging.
> Frank
> 
> On 19 Dec, 2009, at 03:50, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
> 
>> OK then Dante. That would be a problem with those Cosina Voigtlander 
>> lenses
>> then, not Leica ;-) No worries.
>> I'd also seen a comment from PopFlash that Zeiss are not recommending 
>> their
>> ZM 4.5 21 on the M9 (but all other ZM lenses OK). I understand that the
>> latest free Cornerfix works well with that one (as it does with the
>> asymmetric overcorrection that has been reported with some samples of the
>> Elmar 18. I read that Leica engineers have seen the testing and samples
>> reported on that. Perhaps it will be addressed in the next firmware 
>> release.
>> 
>> I sold my ZM 18 (and that 21) a while back so I can't comment from
>> experience on those. I'm happy with 24 as my widest now on the M9 (which 
>> is
>> why I had the 18 for my M8).
>> 
>> 
>> 2009/12/19 Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net>
>> 
>>> The 12mm and 15mm lenses are the ones causing consternation.
>>> 
>>> Dante
>>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Mine works fine including with my 24 and 28 wide open. The biggest
>>> problem
>>>> that people are reporting is simply that there aren't enough to go 
>>>> around
>>>> for all of the orders so far.
>>>> On the cover glass problem, there are six reports currently (from the
>>>> thousands of cameras delivered thus far), which is six too many of
>>> course.
>>>> Too early for the cause or causes to be determined. One camera was
>>> replaced
>>>> on the spot by the dealer (lucky customer that the dealer had another)
>>> and
>>>> one that was returned to Solms was repaired in 2 days. I hope the other 
>>>> 4
>>>> customers can soon report similar rapid resolutions.
>>>> 
>>>> 2009/12/19 Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net>
>>>> 
>>>>> Bear in mind that replacing the sensor glass on an M8 requires a
>>>>> board-level replacement ($1,800) - so if this situation occurs with the
>>> M9,
>>>>> and you don't catch it in-warranty, you could be in for a world of 
>>>>> hurt.
>>> I
>>>>> don't think Leica changed any of its procurement practices.  I suspect
>>> that
>>>>> it simply lacks the clean room necessary to replace the glass to Leica
>>>>> cleanliness standards and can pass the massive cost of what should be a
>>> $300
>>>>> repair to the end user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh yeah... M9, perfect the day it was released, no teething problems,
>>>>> investment for the ages, etc.  So we have red shifting, complaints 
>>>>> about
>>>>> wide-angle lenses, complaints about incomplete IR blocking, and now
>>> broken
>>>>> cover glasses.  Every manufacturer of everything has problems early in
>>> the
>>>>> production run.  It's unrealistic to expect that a digital camera 
>>>>> pushed
>>> out
>>>>> the door in 18 months would be any different.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And as my father said, "every car looks like a classic the year it 
>>>>> comes
>>>>> out."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dante
>>>>> 
>>>>> ____________
>>>>> Dante Stella
>>>>> http://www.dantestella.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> NO ARCHIVE
>>>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>> 
>> 
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