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Subject: [Leica] Used M9 prices
From: ricc at embarqmail.com (Ric Carter)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:05:45 -0400
References: <AANLkTi=7oDG9052_Ba1bO0=bUJmzsM4SKvd4oZ2p2he0@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTimxfJFQyeYsc0fKVFCPYQwD9n0_2nTf7QWU1p6d@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTi=twJAmkDba3K_ZAO7WivdtN=wvwnOdUicP=7Na@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTi=5Et4_wqAGBusfQocVxGWi1MKhXSmDjVaE8=KS@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTikcE3hG+7Ko+9zjK3-jLYiqb6bh1F_DMue3RYS1@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTi=MrRmh-5TB-WoXTvnekppBX8hHFy-c8JkthKOc@mail.gmail.com>

there was a scam one here in raleigh also listed at 3900

it was using some reseller bs

ric


On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Tina Manley wrote:

> There was one listed, new in box, on Craig's List for $2125.  I e-mailed 
> the
> guy and got this response:
> 
> Hello,
> First let me apologize for delay reply.The camera is brand new in original
> box with warranty and all standard accessories included.
> The camera will be shipped from Tennessee but so i can enlarge my
> perspectives, i listed it on numerous states
> Because of my work i`m not able for a face to face transaction ( i must
> travel the most of my time trough all USA )
> I hope you are still interested and we can make the deal happen right away.
> Obviously we need a safe way to complete this deal that will allow us to
> make sure we receive what we are after.
> Since my time is limited my suggestion is to end this deal trough eBay 
> Buyer
> Protection ( http://pages.ebay.com/coverage/index.html )
> With this procedure you will be able to check the item before I receive the
> payment, eBay will manage the transaction for me.
> The only thing that i request from you is to send the payment to eBay  but
> no money will reach my account until the camera is inspected by you ( No
> offense, but I need to be sure the person who receives the camera is
> verified by a legitimate party).
> You will have 5 ( five ) days as inspection period.
> If by any reason the item is not as described, or if you find any problems
> with it I will pay for the returning fees. I'm sure it won't be the case
> because it's a brand new item in box .
> I apologize if it seems like I'm pushing on this deal but I really want to
> be sure everything is clarified before any further steps.
> So if you are still interested please reply and i will e-mail you more
> details.
> Thank you
> 
> It sounds very suspicious to me so I didn't follow up.  If anybody wants 
> to,
> let me know the outcome!!
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I have 2 months :-)!
>> 
>> Yes, idle chitchat of no significance :-) Shooting is more important :-)
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Richard, I've not followed any used sales. But USD6700 is only, what 4%
>>> discount on the Popflash price new (if they had any)? (disregarding
>>> whatever
>>> tax effects there are on those figures). Personally I would never
>> purchase
>>> a
>>> used item over a new one for that sort of discount. Now a used M8 can
>>> certainly be a (relative) bargain. Actually I sold mine through my dealer
>>> for a very good price (for the buyer). It turned up interstate a couple
>> of
>>> weeks later and re-sold with another 25% on my dealers selling price.
>>> That's
>>> local market variations for you.
>>> 
>>> For sure M9 used prices will decline at some point. I don't think that
>> you
>>> have proved your prediction though. Not to worry. Enjoy.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>> 
>>> NO ARCHIVE
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 22 August 2010 18:35, Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think generally the used prices for mint M9s have settled to ~$6700
>>>> level.
>>>> Anyway, my point is really simply that for the M9, there will be
>> buyer's
>>>> remorse, due to its cost.
>>>> 
>>>> The situation is a bit different from d3X and the IDsMkXXX, I think,
>>>> because
>>>> most of the buyers for those cameras are working pro. OTOH, most
>>> purchasers
>>>> of the M9 are enthusiastic amateurs, and the M9 is attracting a lot of
>>>> attention from non-RF users. Some of those will bolt - there is a
>> reason
>>>> why
>>>> SLR dethroned the RF back many years ago!
>>>> 
>>>> Of course you know that I am a M9 lover, but I am just saying general
>>>> market
>>>> wise, the M9 will saturate its own market. If not this year, then may
>> be
>>> in
>>>> 2-3 years. When Leica releases the M10, then there will be another
>> round
>>> of
>>>> the upgrade cycle...
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
>>>> gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Richard, Not sure what you are trying to say here?
>>>>> I don't think that one listing establishes much of a trend ;-). I had
>> a
>>>>> read
>>>>> in any case and the seller is the second owner, whatever claims may
>> be
>>>> made
>>>>> regarding warranty, it is a used camera with no receipts and is a
>>> private
>>>>> sale with unknown buyer protection and not from a dealer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some customers for new stock at least are still waiting in various
>>> places
>>>>> and for varying times. They may disagree with you that supply has
>>> caught
>>>> up
>>>>> with demand!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>> 
>>>>> NO ARCHIVE
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 22 August 2010 17:35, Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Earlier this year I said by Oct, there will be used M9 selling for
>>>> ~$6000
>>>>>> and people were skeptical.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, this is August and this LNIB M9 is $6400:
>>>>>> http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18756
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As I said before, the M9 is a great camera, but with the price,
>> there
>>>>> will
>>>>>> be buyer's remorse, and people will sell them at a discount, now
>> that
>>>> the
>>>>>> supply has finally caught up with demand.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I am a working pro, I will snap this up in a hurry....
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/>
>>>>>> // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.wordpress.com>
>>>>>> // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com>
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>>>>>> replies in your msgs. ]
>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/>
>>>> // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.wordpress.com>
>>>> // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com>
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/>
>> // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.wordpress.com>
>> // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com>
>> [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all 
>> previous
>> replies in your msgs. ]
>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> www.tinamanley.com
> 
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