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Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed
From: jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:58:15 -0600
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Thanks, Leo.  I will look into that.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leowesson" <leowesson at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people 
auto-unsubscribed


> Jim,
>
> You can set up outlook express to check your Gmail.
>
> Leo Wesson
> www.leowesson.com
>
> On Dec 7, 2011, at 13:37, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Brian set me up sometime ago to post from either my usual address or my 
>> gmail address.  Last evening, I was attempting to change my subscriber 
>> address to my gmail address, which also required me to re-enable my 
>> subscription, which was disabled because of the large number of bounces. 
>> When I submitted this change, which requires Brian's approval, LUG mail 
>> began to appear at my normal address.
>>
>> So, I am caught in the midst of a change, which the system won't allow me 
>> to reverse, and Brian is out of touch.  However, everything is 
>> functioning.
>>
>> I know this doesn't answer your question about gmail.  Outlook Express is 
>> much more flexible than gmail, so I prefer to stick with it if possible.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barbour" 
>> <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people 
>> auto-unsubscribed
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>
>>>> It is very difficult for the user to determine where the blocking is 
>>>> being done.  Since I know who furnishes spam blocking for my local ISP, 
>>>> I suspect that they are the culprits, but suspecting and knowing are 
>>>> two different things.  Even the support people at my local ISP have 
>>>> difficulty with this. I furnished them a printout of the full header on 
>>>> a typical message from the LUG to me, and they worked with support 
>>>> folks further up the line.  As of this morning, they had no feedback, 
>>>> but the problem disappeared yesterday afternoon.
>>>>
>>>> Now I am trying to find out whether the correction resulted from my 
>>>> emails to Carrierzone, or from the efforts of my ISP.  They may never 
>>>> admit there was a problem.
>>>>
>>>> All told, a pretty weak case for litigation.
>>>
>>>
>>> not sure is this may provide a solution to this issue,  how about 
>>> subscribing with a gmail address ? Does that change anything?
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at 
>>>> cox.net>
>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people 
>>>> auto-unsubscribed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Boys, this is America! Litigation is always in order!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Pearce
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Willman
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:43 PM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people 
>>>>> auto-unsubscribed
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if such behavoir (by van Riel) constitutes defamation, and if 
>>>>> litigation (or the threat thereof) might be of use.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org 
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>>>>> Of 
>>>>> Brian Reid
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:07 PM
>>>>> To: lug at leica-users.org
>>>>> Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people 
>>>>> auto-unsubscribed
>>>>>
>>>>> A bunch of LUG subscribers have been auto-unsubscribed because of a 
>>>>> lazy
>>>>> ideologue in Merrimack New Hampshire named Rik van Riel. Rik believes 
>>>>> that he
>>>>> has the only solution to the spam detection problem, and unfortunately 
>>>>> a few
>>>>> ISPs believe him.  Responsible ISPs use dozens upon dozens of factors 
>>>>> to
>>>>> classify something as spam. Since van Riel doesn't charge for his 
>>>>> spam-finding
>>>>> service, cheapo ISPs will sometimes use it and only it. When van 
>>>>> Riel's spam
>>>>> detectors make a mistake (which he, of course, believes is not 
>>>>> possible) then
>>>>> mail stops getting delivered to the customers of the ISPs that depend 
>>>>> on his
>>>>> free service.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are one of the people whose LUG subscription went away, you can 
>>>>> think
>>>>> bad thoughts about Rik van Riel. Ideologues like him rarely change 
>>>>> their
>>>>> position as a result of argument from other people, so there is no 
>>>>> point
>>>>> trying to yell at him or reason with him. In a certain sense the real 
>>>>> villains
>>>>> are the owners of the ISPs that are too cheap to buy real commercial
>>>>> spam-blocking service, which requires human participation and is 
>>>>> therefore not
>>>>> free.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only viable long-term solution to false-positive spam nightmares 
>>>>> is to
>>>>> find a responsible ISP. Cheapo ISPs are going to use cheapo 
>>>>> spam-control
>>>>> companies, who invariably lock onto free services run by ideologues.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are one of the victims, you of course aren't getting this 
>>>>> email, but
>>>>> you might see it on the website or you might get a copy forwarded from 
>>>>> a
>>>>> friend.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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In reply to: Message from reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us (Brian Reid) ([Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed)
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