Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/10

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Subject: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:04:14 -0500
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On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> I never said it was shitty.  I have one.  I like it.
>

It wasn't you.  I just get tired of people making judgements on lenses they
have never used.

Last year I posted a bunch of pictures that lots of people liked from my 21
pre asph.  Then we got a 50 post thread about how terrible the lens is,
even though the critics liked the pictures.

I really don't get it.






>
> Marty
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> > Should I list all my Leica lenses and find out from the eggspurts (who
> > don't own them) just how shitty they are?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> The 28mm Elmarit ASPH is challenged in the corners because it is
> designed
> >> to be a cheap (orig $1,600) compact lens, no?
> >>
> >> Dante
> >>
> >> On Apr 10, 2012, at 19:03, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the
> >> > Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open
> >> > on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here:
> >> > http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html.
>  The
> >> > 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat
> >> > field.  H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here
> >> > prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in the
> >> > corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V 28/1.9
> >> > which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less
> >> > apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners.  A nice
> >> > display of the compromises optical design includes.
> >> >
> >> > The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some
> >> > ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the
> >> > floating element, but it's still pretty formidable.  On the M8 I
> >> > prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, even
> >> > if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens.  After
> >> > Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up
> >> > and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90
> >> > ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest.
> >> >
> >> > Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!):
> >> >
> >>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg.html
> >> > Nikkor 28:
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html
> >> >
> >> > Marty
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at 
> >> > mcmaster.co.nz>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Where are you coming from Mark?
> >> >> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality??
> >> >> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than 24mm x
> >> 36mm???
> >> >>
> >> >> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is.....
> >> >>
> >> >> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that a
> >> 28mm lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a more
> >> used focal length than 28mm is for FF.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making
> >> things up.
> >> >>
> >> >> john
> >> >> ________________________________________
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its
> >> standards on
> >> >> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH
> ideal
> >> for
> >> >> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now
> being
> >> >> sold new for just over four grand $.
> >> >> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has
> >> stated
> >> >> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film
> M.
> >> >> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than
> >> >> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a 43.3mm
> >> image
> >> >> crop circle....
> >> >> The 28 Summicron is  a gem and at the top of my list for my next
> Leica
> >> lens.
> >> >> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think
> we're
> >> going
> >> >> to find documented elsewise.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> - - from my iRabs.
> >> >> Mark Rabiner
> >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
> >> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200
> >> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the
> M9.....
> >> >>>
> >> >>> john
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than last 2
> >> years.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Leica Users Group.
> >> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Leica Users Group.
> >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Leica Users Group.
> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sonny
> > http://sonc.com/look/
> > http://sonc-hegr.tumblr.com/
> > Natchitoches, Louisiana
> >
> > USA
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Leica Users Group.
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>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Regards,

Sonny
http://sonc.com/look/
http://sonc-hegr.tumblr.com/
Natchitoches, Louisiana

USA


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