Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/10

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Subject: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:58:27 -0700
References: <001201cd175b$2ef36be0$8cda43a0$@chiaroscuro.co.nz> <CBAA189D.1CEA9%mark@rabinergroup.com> <80F9701439F20347874CE5E4E03C22E957C072ED@WhizzMAIL01.whizz.org> <CABmfTOVCL+df+HDCWLRoxATEGHPKp_jg0GdV3G0y+x4hYfEcyg@mail.gmail.com> <AAC3E70F-95F9-4C19-A567-955866F5124C@ameritech.net> <CAFfkXxsytyE=6QfxL5v3B9SqEGAuRZG8x=RxjcT4UWO9jQ+OqA@mail.gmail.com> <CABmfTOX5O1k9W5__ZtOM0Uw93bLzpEQxE3hWu7U9ThmPFdoN2w@mail.gmail.com> <CAFfkXxtBG0AqVf4POnwL=Oz0K6YwG7cuhjTW5i8uthTz6Lg8pA@mail.gmail.com>

Ah Sonny, but those groups either a) do not intersect, or b) people have
huge cognitive dissonance :-)

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> It wasn't you.  I just get tired of people making judgements on lenses they
> have never used.
>
> Last year I posted a bunch of pictures that lots of people liked from my 21
> pre asph.  Then we got a 50 post thread about how terrible the lens is,
> even though the critics liked the pictures.
>
> I really don't get it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Marty
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Should I list all my Leica lenses and find out from the eggspurts (who
> > > don't own them) just how shitty they are?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at 
> > > ameritech.net
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> The 28mm Elmarit ASPH is challenged in the corners because it is
> > designed
> > >> to be a cheap (orig $1,600) compact lens, no?
> > >>
> > >> Dante
> > >>
> > >> On Apr 10, 2012, at 19:03, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the
> > >> > Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open
> > >> > on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here:
> > >> > http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html.
> >  The
> > >> > 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat
> > >> > field.  H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here
> > >> > prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in
> the
> > >> > corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V
> 28/1.9
> > >> > which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less
> > >> > apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners.  A nice
> > >> > display of the compromises optical design includes.
> > >> >
> > >> > The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some
> > >> > ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the
> > >> > floating element, but it's still pretty formidable.  On the M8 I
> > >> > prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall,
> even
> > >> > if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens.  After
> > >> > Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up
> > >> > and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90
> > >> > ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest.
> > >> >
> > >> > Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!):
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg.html
> > >> > Nikkor 28:
> > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html
> > >> >
> > >> > Marty
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at 
> > >> > mcmaster.co.nz
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> Where are you coming from Mark?
> > >> >> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality??
> > >> >> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than
> 24mm x
> > >> 36mm???
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is.....
> > >> >>
> > >> >> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that
> a
> > >> 28mm lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a
> more
> > >> used focal length than 28mm is for FF.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making
> > >> things up.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> john
> > >> >> ________________________________________
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its
> > >> standards on
> > >> >> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH
> > ideal
> > >> for
> > >> >> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now
> > being
> > >> >> sold new for just over four grand $.
> > >> >> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has
> > >> stated
> > >> >> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film
> > M.
> > >> >> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than
> > >> >> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a
> 43.3mm
> > >> image
> > >> >> crop circle....
> > >> >> The 28 Summicron is  a gem and at the top of my list for my next
> > Leica
> > >> lens.
> > >> >> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think
> > we're
> > >> going
> > >> >> to find documented elsewise.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> - - from my iRabs.
> > >> >> Mark Rabiner
> > >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
> > >> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > >> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200
> > >> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the
> > M9.....
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> john
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than
> last 2
> > >> years.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> Leica Users Group.
> > >> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more
> information
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Leica Users Group.
> > >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more
> information
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Leica Users Group.
> > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Sonny
> > > http://sonc.com/look/
> > > http://sonc-hegr.tumblr.com/
> > > Natchitoches, Louisiana
> > >
> > > USA
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Leica Users Group.
> > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Leica Users Group.
> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Sonny
> http://sonc.com/look/
> http://sonc-hegr.tumblr.com/
> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>
> USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>



-- 
// richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>


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