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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Then and Now
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:54:31 -0500 (CDT)
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Aside from the ad hominem attacks, what about the merits of their argument 
and data?

Robert


On Apr 21, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Ric Carter wrote:

> SPPI is run by a career politician whose numbers do not seem to match 
> those of most scientists.
> 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_Public_Policy_Institute>
> 
> i smell Koch money
> 
> ric
> 
> 
> On Apr 21, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Robert Meier wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> No Global Warming For 15 Years
>> 
>> Source:  GWPF
>> 
>> New UK Met Office global temperature data confirms that the world has not 
>> warmed in the past 15 years.
>> 
>> Analysis by the GWPF of the newly released HadCRUT4 global temperature 
>> database shows that there has been no global warming in the past 15 years 
>> ? a timescale that challenges current models of global warming.
>> 
>> The graph shows the global annual average temperature since 1997. No 
>> statistically significant trend can be discerned from the data. The only 
>> statistically acceptable conclusion to be drawn from the HadCRUT4 data is 
>> that between 1997 ? 2011 it has remained constant, with a global 
>> temperature of 14.44 +/- 0.16 deg C (2 standard deviations.)
>> 
>> The important question is whether 15 years is a sufficient length of time 
>> from which to draw climatic conclusions that are usually considered over 
>> 30 years, as well as its implications for climate projections.
>> 
>> The IPCC states that anthropogenic influences on the climate dominated 
>> natural ones sometime between 1960 ? 80.The recent episode of global 
>> warming that occurred after that transition began in 1980. The world has 
>> warmed by about 0.4 deg C in this time. Whilst we live in the warmest 
>> decade of the instrumental era of global temperature measurement 
>> (post-1880), and the 90s were warmer than the 80s, the world has not got 
>> any warmer in the last 15 years.  In 2001 and 2007 the Intergovernmental 
>> Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) (and here) estimated that the world would 
>> warm at a rate of 0.2 deg C per decade in the future due to greenhouse 
>> gas forcing. Since those predictions were made it has become clear that 
>> the world has not been warming at that rate.  Some scientists 
>> retrospectively revised their forecasts saying that the 0.2 deg C figure 
>> is an average one. Larger or smaller rates of warming are possible as 
>> short-term variations.
>> 
>> Global warming simulations, some carried out by the UK Met Office (here, 
>> here and here), have been able to reproduce ?standstills? in global 
>> warming of a decade or so while still maintaining the long-term 0.2 deg C 
>> per decade average. These decadal standstills occur about once every 
>> eight decades. However, such climate simulations have not been able to 
>> reproduce a 15-year standstill:
>> 
>> ?Near-zero and even negative trends are common for intervals of a decade 
>> or less in the simulations, due to the model?s internal climate 
>> variability. The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for 
>> intervals of 15 yr or more, suggesting that an observed absence of 
>> warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the 
>> expected present-day warming rate? (NOAA 2008).
>> 
>> We also note a comment in an email sent by Professor Phil Jones of the 
>> University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit: ?Bottom line ? the no 
>> upward trend has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get 
>> worried.?
>> 
>> Whether the global temperature standstill of the past 15 years continues 
>> or is replaced by warming, as the IPCC predicts, only future data will 
>> tell. In the meantime the length of the standstill means that the 
>> challenge it offers for models of future climate prediction, and 
>> explanations for past warming, cannot be ignored.
>> 
>> Dr David Whitehouse, science editor of the GWPF, said:
>> 
>> ?We are at the point where the temperature standstill is becoming the 
>> dominant feature of the post-1980 warming, and as such cannot be 
>> dismissed as being unimportant even when viewed over 30 years.?
>> 
>> ?It is time that the scientific community in general and the IPCC in 
>> particular acknowledged the reality of the global temperature standstill 
>> and the very real challenge it implies for our understanding of climate 
>> change and estimates of its future effects.?
>> 
>> ?It is a demonstration that the science is not settled, and that there 
>> are great uncertainties in our understanding of the real-world greenhouse 
>> effect when combined with anthropogenic and natural factors.?
>> 
>> Contact:
>> david.whitehouse at gwpf.org
>> GWPF: 0207 79306856
>> 
>> Technical note: The HadCRUT4 database has been released from 1997 ? 2010. 
>> The 2011 datapoint has been estimated from the differences between 
>> HadCRUT4 and the two published versions of the previous dataset, 
>> HadCRUT3, as observed over the past decade. As the HadCRUT3 data includes 
>> 2011 it is possible to estimate HadCRUT4 as lying between the specified 
>> error bars.
>> 
>> This entry was posted on Monday, April 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 pm   and is 
>> filed under News. You can follow any responses to this entry through the 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sonny -- 
>> 
>> The graph didn't copy.   Here is the URL:
>> 
>> http://sppiblog.org/news/no-global-warming-for-15-years#more-7427
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 21, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Robert Meier <robertmeier at usjet.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Actually the average global temperature has not risen in 15 years.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reference please.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Sonny
>>> http://sonc.com/look/
>>> http://sonc-hegr.tumblr.com/
>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>>> 
>>> USA
>>> 
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