Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/05/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Just picking up and moving is that easy, huh? Not really. Not from this point of view. Phil Forrest On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:25:27 +0530 Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: > US graduates should emigrate to where the jobs are, as generations of > Asians and Latinos did before them! It will also kill the immigration > debate in the USA, and transfer it to the Asian countries. As an > example, there is a fair shortage of qualified engineers here in > India, at salaries that will give you a top 3% lifestyle at Indian > costs of living (which is much better than what you can expect in the > USA overall), and without the baggage of knowing a foreign language, > as English would do. I think North Americans are far too insular... > Cheers > Jayanand > > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Ken Iisaka <ken at iisaka.com> wrote: > > > The availability of jobs rise and wane due to many circumstances > > such as the one listed below. However, I think there had been a > > expectation that a college degree guarantees a good job, which has > > never been the case. The demands from jobs is higher, and more > > specialized. A general arts degree will essentially guarantee that > > you will require more specialized education to enter a more > > lucrative job market. > > > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Henning Wulff > > <henningw at archiphoto.com > > >wrote: > > > > > Here in Canada the job market is fragmented. While quite a few > > > people, including university grads can't get decent paying jobs > > > there are a lot > > of > > > well paying jobs that go unfilled. I believe the same is true in > > > many developed countries, and especially the US. > > > > > > As an architect I regularly see trades that can't find skilled > > > workers. The brick and tile layers that are really good are > > > retiring, as most came from Europe in the 50's and 60's. Here > > > there was never a decent system > > for > > > training them, and the jobs were considered 'beneath' people who > > > could go to college. That kind of stigma and lack of training is > > > coming back to > > bite > > > us. Lots of other trades are the same. > > > > > > If you do go to college, consider various engineering jobs. Many > > > are desperately lacking in personnel. Many people are still going > > > to > > University > > > in an undefined Arts program, and racking up tuition debts. Good > > > luck! > > It's > > > not the fault only of the kids of course; it's mostly the fault of > > general > > > society. When you're 20, it's better to be seen as being enrolled > > > in a literature program at a good college or university than > > > being in a good training program as an elevator installer. But > > > take a look at them 10 > > years > > > down the road, in our present economic trend. > > > > > > Henning > > > > > > > > > On 2012-05-11, at 9:55 AM, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote: > > > > > > > Engineering, computer science, and science graduates are highly > > > > sought > > > after here in the US. And just about anywhere in the world. As > > > for Journalism, I know a young lady getting her degree in > > > England/Germany who has several solid job offers waiting for her. > > > > > > > > Gene > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Phil Forrest" <photo.forrest at earthlink.net> > > > > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:05:16 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada > > > > Central Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica Monochrome > > > > > > > > I wish him the best of luck. > > > > MS in Aerospace Eng is certainly a specialized field and > > > > probably has a decent amount of opportunity after graduation. > > > > > > > > There are exceptions everywhere. Here in the US the job market > > > > isn't as rosy and the educated are increasingly being forced to > > > > work at very low wages. > > > > > > > > Phil Forrest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 11 May 2012 06:56:08 +0200 > > > > Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I do not wish to sound smug or uncaring, but I just cannot > > > >> share your wholesale pessimism. I know that you have difficult > > > >> circumstances and for a variety of reasons that have little to > > > >> do with the economy are stuck in a depressed city. But I also > > > >> know that my almost-23 year old son will graduate with a > > > >> Masters in aerospace engineering next year (2013) and I know > > > >> that thanks to his hard work at university, he will have good > > > >> grades and will very likely find a well-paying after > > > >> graduating. The only thing I do not know is exactly where that > > > >> job will be--given his specialty, it could be on either side > > > >> of the Atlantic. But it will certainly not be $7 an hour. > > > >> > > > >> And we are no 1-percenters. He attends a public university in > > > >> England and will graduate with a (modest) tuition debt. > > > >> > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> Nathan > > > >> > > > >> Nathan Wajsman > > > >> Alicante, Spain > > > >> http://www.frozenlight.eu > > > >> http://www.greatpix.eu > > > >> http://www.nathanfoto.com > > > >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > > > >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> YNWA > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On May 11, 2012, at 4:01 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> You have your head in the sand if you think that, Doug. The > > > >>> world has changed, and my generation will never be permitted > > > >>> the decent lives our parents had, no matter how hard we work. > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Chris Crawford > > > >>> Fine Art Photography > > > >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > >>> 260-437-8990 > > > >>> > > > >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > > >>> > > > >>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > >>> > > > >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > > > >>> Become a fan on Facebook > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On 5/10/12 9:11 PM, "Doug Herr" <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Phil Forrest wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> On Thu, 10 May 2012 15:28:26 -0400 > > > >>>>> Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> This thing is so far outside the realm of even remote > > > >>>>>> possibility for me that I frankly don't give a damn. What > > > >>>>>> is Leica going to do when all the old people who have > > > >>>>>> money because they began working before the $7 an hour > > > >>>>>> economy was foisted upon their children have died, leaving > > > >>>>>> the impoverished young who simply cannot even consider > > > >>>>>> such equipment, no matter how good it is. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I've been asking this question for years and no one will > > > >>>>> give me an answer that works, instead insisting that Leica > > > >>>>> will continue to exist. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The people who were asking this question forty years ago (I > > > >>>> was there) now have the means to consider a Leica system. > > > >>>> And it may very well be less than forty years but some day > > > >>>> in the future many of today's younger adults will also be > > > >>>> able to realistically buy into a Leica camera system. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Doug Herr > > > >>>> Birdman of Sacramento > > > >>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> Leica Users Group. > > > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > > >>>> information > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> Leica Users Group. > > > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > > >>> information > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Leica Users Group. > > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > > >> information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ > > > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > > > information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > Henning Wulff > > > henningw at archiphoto.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Leica Users Group. > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ken Iisaka > > first name at last name dot org or com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest