Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/03/13

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Subject: [Leica] Leica M240
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:02:36 -0700
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To the list of things I don't like should be added:

The baseplate thing. Yes, they did now make the tripod socket part of the 
body, and it is centered, but now you can't change card or battery when the 
camera is on a tripod. I suppose they expect you to use the multi-function 
grip in that instance, as that is also where hdmi out and other sockets are. 
I hardly ever use an M on a tripod, but now that it has macro and tele 
capability, I'm sure it will be used on a tripod more than before.

Why not have regular doors for battery and card, and have done with the 
baseplate? It's a stronger and better made baseplate now, but it still is a 
clunky thing you would like an extra hand for when changing battery and 
card. When the M3 and M2 came out there was at least a plausible reason for 
the baseplate, and at least with the M4 they fixed the need for a fourth 
hand, but today the affectation of the removable baseplate is just silly.

Henning



On 2013-03-13, at 10:44 AM, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com> wrote:

> I use fast cards in all the cameras; at the moment class 10 cards seem to 
> be the optimum as far as price/cost goes. I tried faster cards, but the 
> difference was miniscule. Class 6 cards are now no less expensive than 
> Class 10, but are definitely slower in various cameras.
> 
> I should also mention that I agree with much of what Steve Huff said. I'm 
> hardly a fan of his and his style, but he has got most things right. To 
> counter some of his over the top enthusiasm, I should mention a couple of 
> gripes I have with the new camera.
> 
> 1. It's too big. It has gotten heavier and a millimeter thicker. Not much, 
> but bigger again than the film M's. The general excuse is that the 
> sensor/LCD/control pack needs the additional thickness. Yes it does, but 
> all that means is that the distance from the lens flange to the LCD has to 
> be greater than the distance of the lens flange to the back of the film 
> cameras. Why not have the lens flange more exposed? Have it stick forward 
> a couple of millimeters and have the camera body the same size as an 
> M2-6(pre-TTL)? Obviously the larger battery has to go somewhere, but it is 
> packaged back to back with the SD card, so if it's just the battery, it 
> could fit in the thickness of an M4. I know it's probably stuffed full, 
> but let's work a little on miniaturization. Take a look at an RX-1; that 
> has a body that's a lot smaller than an M2. After all that I have to say 
> that using it for 30 minutes makes it disappear into your hands, and you 
> notice neither the thickness nor the weight par
> ticularly.
> 
> 2. Exposure compensation doesn't work well. Now you have to hold in the 
> button on the front where the rewind lever was on film Leicas, and turn 
> the thumb wheel, all while holding the camera to your eye. Contortionists 
> in the crowd? The M9 could do this with just the rear wheel; much easier. 
> For those that say they never used exposure compensation and they often 
> accidentally moved the M9 dial, I say why not make this an option. Also 
> make the use of the movie button an option. I'm not going to use this for 
> movies, so repurpose it. This should be fixable via firmware.
> 
> 3. The new shutter release threads, about which I've written before.
> 
> 4. The electronic viewfinder (I got hold of a used Olympus one) while 
> quite sharp and with decent colour, is _really_ laggy. A lot different 
> than essentially the same viewfinder in the Olympus OM-D. It's useable, 
> but certainly not state of the art. That they should have gotten right, as 
> that is technology that has been available for a while. I doubt this is 
> fixable via firmware. However, there is a slight upside to this. It means 
> that for longer lenses, using magnified view doesn't cause as bad jitters 
> due to lack of stabilization as with a faster refresh. Of course, that 
> also means that the refresh for focussing isn't any faster than 30fps.
> 
> Regarding image quality, I'm with Steve Huff also. It has amazing quality, 
> and while different than that of the M9, I would definitely say that the 
> new M is better. I profile all my cameras with a Colorchecker Passport, so 
> I get consistent output from all cameras, and I'm not dependent on Adobe's 
> profiles. The new M handles a much bigger dynamic range, and doesn't 
> produce nastiness in blown highlights. In fact, highlights seem to roll 
> off as well as on the Olympus OM-D, and that is high praise. In other 
> respects of course the M image quality is a lot higher than that of the 
> OM-D. Wide angle lenses behave better than on the M9, and even the 12mm 
> Cosina is useable again.
> 
> Henning
> 
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-13, at 10:05 AM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Henning,
>> 
>> Owning neither the M8 nor M9, I'm just a casual observer.  However, from 
>> what I have read, wait times can be card dependent.  Are you using the 
>> fastest cards available for the M9?
>> 
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henning Wulff" <henningw at 
>> archiphoto.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M240
>> 
>> 
>>> I sometimes shoot 7 shots in 15 seconds, all single shot. Then I get to 
>>> wait, and if the next good moment comes up 5 seconds after the last 
>>> shot??? It's just a slow camera.
>>> 
>>> Henning
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-03-12, at 1:59 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That does not sound right, as (what I call) single shots I have never 
>>>> hit the buffer. If you mean 'many' (about 7 or 8) shots in 4 secsonds 
>>>> on single shot mode that is different...
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> on behalf of Henning Wulff [henningw at archiphoto.com]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I would say that that major improvement in the new M is the speed. I 
>>>> never have to wait for the camera, as I do with the M9. If I do single 
>>>> shots, which is 99% of the time, I really can't outshoot it, whereas 
>>>> the M9 often required me to wait 30 seconds until the buffer cleared, 
>>>> which is a long time. Reviewing shots is also much faster.
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Henning Wulff
>>> henningw at archiphoto.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> Henning Wulff
> henningw at archiphoto.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Henning Wulff
henningw at archiphoto.com






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