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Subject: [Leica] M10 Monochrom oh yes!
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:32:07 -0400
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If there are so many factual errors then why not show us one? Show us how 
the Bayer process really works! Otherwise this is just added to the list of 
crass personal attacks which have compiled over the years from you. And 
let's see one of your pictures Ken!

 
 

-- 

Mark William Rabiner
Photographer

?On 4/2/18, 5:16 PM, "LUG on behalf of Ken Iisaka" 
<lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of ken at 
iisaka.com> wrote:

    There are so many factual errors. What Mark describes is Sigma Foveon
    sensors. It has nothing to do with Bayer-layout sensors used by Leica and
    most other cameras.
    
    Just go take pictures.
    
    On 1 April 2018 at 03:41, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
    
    > It?s the same speed but it can skip having to pass though various 
filters
    > first in the RGB Bayer process. It's just direct.
    > Makes for a far cleaner final result.
    > As I understand it demosaicing means anything blue in the image has to
    > pass through a red then green grid layer first.
    > Anything green has to pass though just the red gird layer one first.
    > And if it?s a red rose its fairly direct. Should look good.
    > A black and white sensor has none of that. No grids. No layers. 
Everything
    > direct.
    > Its keeping it simple stupid. I like that.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    >
    > Mark William Rabiner
    > Photographer
    >
    > ?On 3/31/18, 12:14 PM, "LUG on behalf of Paul Roark via LUG"
    > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
    > lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
    >
    >     On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 7:59 AM, chris williams via LUG <
    > lug at leica-users.org
    >     > wrote:
    >
    >     > ?...
    >     >
    >     >
    >     > Leica was able to use some kind of sensor made in Belgium that 
was
    >     > strictly designed for monochromatic images.
    >     >
    >     > ?...
    >
    >     Yes, but aside from not having an R, G or B filter over the pixel, 
the
    >     silicon is still the same speed as that under the filters of the 
color
    >     sensors.  The monochrome's native speed is higher only because it 
has
    > no
    >     color filters over the pixels.  I don't think the Leica foundry has
    > found
    >     any breakthrough to increase silicon's native light sensitivity.
    >
    >     I'm not knocking the monochrome at all.  For street photography or
    > where
    >     you don't need a filter, it's truly faster and a great tool for 
those
    > types
    >     of photography.
    >
    >     Paul
    >     www.PaulRoark.com
    >
    >
    >     ?
    >
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