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Subject: [Leica] Not Buying M8
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Wed Mar 12 17:15:43 2008
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On Mar 12, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Chris Saganich wrote:

> Your work is a good example.

hmmm  really ?  of what may I ask ?


> Brings to mind the crying baby photographs, where the photographer  
> made the babies cry on purpose.


oh God,  spare us... !


I see no connection whatever; honestly I find such a thought both  
incredibly remote and repugnant...


Steve



>  The crying baby makes for a visceral reaction as does you images,  
> (having worked in a cancer hospital with pediatric cases I can  
> relate to your images on this level), but in the former case one  
> might ask, why are the babies crying? and the answer is because it  
> is what the photographer wanted.  In your images one might ask why  
> is the child in the hospital?  Not because of the photographer!  The  
> important part is that we know this information  When (What) we  
> don't know I feel it is a problem that is understated and little  
> understood.  In the digital world it seems we tend to know less and  
> less, subjective reality is off the map, which is what makes me  
> nervous because is seems easy and popular; anyone can do it.  As an  
> exploration for artists it is a rich area which makes me wish I was  
> 25 and in art school.  As a middle aged person on the verge of  
> xenophobia, drinking too much caffeine, it is troublesome.
>
> At 12:35 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote:
>
>> On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Chris Saganich wrote:
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>>> Well again, vision doesn't cease with the shutter.  The extension of
>>> vision into the darkroom or the computer is often necessary.  Those
>>> who are solidly grounded in the conceptual framework of extension of
>>> vision photography or the painterly concepts of photography have
>>> little trouble with the digital world.  Like solarization or IR film
>>> these are obvious painterly concepts, removing reality from images,
>>> bringing attention to the handwork rather then the subject.  Except
>>> in the digital world this commingling of concepts becomes so subtle
>>> that reality can be purged or invented without anyone seeing it.  It
>>> is like there is violence being committed but no one notices or
>>> cares, the violence is invisible, and this is why the digital world
>>> seems sinister to me.
>>
>> I think this was always true...though it's made easier now...not
>> altogether new or different...
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>> In my experience, my own photography for my book, comprising almost
>> all film images, I found the honest documentation of children in the
>> hospital a conscious, ongoing struggle every step of the way.
>>
>> Accurate and honest depiction of the child's reality was the goal,  
>> but
>> necessarily included getting people to look...
>>
>>
>> Steve
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>> "I never wanted to be famous"
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>> www.blurb.com
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>>> Perhaps in academics there is a language for this but I haven't
>>> come across it.  There is a new animal in the forest and I'm trying
>>> to understand what it eats.
>>>
>>> At 07:49 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote:
>>>> A great many of the worlds greatest photographic images have come
>>>> from very
>>>> difficult negatives.
>>>> Difficult as in way over or under exposed;
>>>> Not in focus or otherwise soft.
>>>> Poorly composed.
>>>> A decent image was made from them with someone in the darkroom who
>>>> knew what
>>>> they were doing.
>>>> Now its a bit easier to do those things.
>>>> And by a lot more people.
>>>> So what?
>>>>
>>>> A lot more people have Photoshop and are good at it than had
>>>> darkrooms and
>>>> were good at it.
>>>>
>>>> This offends the small proud darkroom club.
>>>> Those of us who were able to swing darkrooms.
>>>>
>>>> I for one am very glad that photography has been made more
>>>> democratic.
>>>> If that's the word.
>>>> More for everybody.
>>>> Not just those who could swing darkrooms.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> markrabiner.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist
>>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University
>>> New York Presbyterian Hospital
>>> chs2018@med.cornell.edu
>>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/
>>> Ph. 212.746.6964
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> Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist
> Weill Medical College of Cornell University
> New York Presbyterian Hospital
> chs2018@med.cornell.edu
> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/
> Ph. 212.746.6964
> Fax. 212.746.4800
> Office A-0049
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> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
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Steve

"I never wanted to be famous"
now available at www.blurb.com

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