Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/03/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Oh boy sorry about that, bad choice of example and a poor explanation to go with it, I didn't mean to imply your photographs remind me of that. Quite the opposite. Your work is a good example of what is good and what I like about photography. The crying babies of what is bad and I hate about photography. I'm so sorry you thought I was equating the two, no, no, that is a repugnant thought indeed! I didn't mean that in a million years. Chris At 08:15 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >On Mar 12, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Chris Saganich wrote: > >>Your work is a good example. > >hmmm really ? of what may I ask ? > > >>Brings to mind the crying baby photographs, where the photographer >>made the babies cry on purpose. > > >oh God, spare us... ! > > >I see no connection whatever; honestly I find such a thought both >incredibly remote and repugnant... > > >Steve > > > >> The crying baby makes for a visceral reaction as does you images, >>(having worked in a cancer hospital with pediatric cases I can >>relate to your images on this level), but in the former case one >>might ask, why are the babies crying? and the answer is because it >>is what the photographer wanted. In your images one might ask why >>is the child in the hospital? Not because of the photographer! The >>important part is that we know this information When (What) we >>don't know I feel it is a problem that is understated and little >>understood. In the digital world it seems we tend to know less and >>less, subjective reality is off the map, which is what makes me >>nervous because is seems easy and popular; anyone can do it. As an >>exploration for artists it is a rich area which makes me wish I was >>25 and in art school. As a middle aged person on the verge of >>xenophobia, drinking too much caffeine, it is troublesome. >> >>At 12:35 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >> >>>On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Chris Saganich wrote: >>> >>>>Well again, vision doesn't cease with the shutter. The extension of >>>>vision into the darkroom or the computer is often necessary. Those >>>>who are solidly grounded in the conceptual framework of extension of >>>>vision photography or the painterly concepts of photography have >>>>little trouble with the digital world. Like solarization or IR film >>>>these are obvious painterly concepts, removing reality from images, >>>>bringing attention to the handwork rather then the subject. Except >>>>in the digital world this commingling of concepts becomes so subtle >>>>that reality can be purged or invented without anyone seeing it. It >>>>is like there is violence being committed but no one notices or >>>>cares, the violence is invisible, and this is why the digital world >>>>seems sinister to me. >>> >>>I think this was always true...though it's made easier now...not >>>altogether new or different... >>> >>>In my experience, my own photography for my book, comprising almost >>>all film images, I found the honest documentation of children in the >>>hospital a conscious, ongoing struggle every step of the way. >>> >>>Accurate and honest depiction of the child's reality was the goal, >>>but >>>necessarily included getting people to look... >>> >>> >>>Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"I never wanted to be famous" >>> >>>www.blurb.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Perhaps in academics there is a language for this but I haven't >>>>come across it. There is a new animal in the forest and I'm trying >>>>to understand what it eats. >>>> >>>>At 07:49 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >>>>>A great many of the worlds greatest photographic images have come >>>>>from very >>>>>difficult negatives. >>>>>Difficult as in way over or under exposed; >>>>>Not in focus or otherwise soft. >>>>>Poorly composed. >>>>>A decent image was made from them with someone in the darkroom who >>>>>knew what >>>>>they were doing. >>>>>Now its a bit easier to do those things. >>>>>And by a lot more people. >>>>>So what? >>>>> >>>>>A lot more people have Photoshop and are good at it than had >>>>>darkrooms and >>>>>were good at it. >>>>> >>>>>This offends the small proud darkroom club. >>>>>Those of us who were able to swing darkrooms. >>>>> >>>>>I for one am very glad that photography has been made more >>>>>democratic. >>>>>If that's the word. >>>>>More for everybody. >>>>>Not just those who could swing darkrooms. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Mark William Rabiner >>>>>markrabiner.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Leica Users Group. >>>>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>information >>>> >>>>Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist >>>>Weill Medical College of Cornell University >>>>New York Presbyterian Hospital >>>>chs2018@med.cornell.edu >>>>http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ >>>>Ph. 212.746.6964 >>>>Fax. 212.746.4800 >>>>Office A-0049 >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Leica Users Group. >>>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Leica Users Group. >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >>Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist >>Weill Medical College of Cornell University >>New York Presbyterian Hospital >>chs2018@med.cornell.edu >>http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ >>Ph. 212.746.6964 >>Fax. 212.746.4800 >>Office A-0049 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Leica Users Group. >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >Steve > >"I never wanted to be famous" >now available at www.blurb.com > >kididdoc@cox.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist Weill Medical College of Cornell University New York Presbyterian Hospital chs2018@med.cornell.edu http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ Ph. 212.746.6964 Fax. 212.746.4800 Office A-0049