Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/03/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Mar 13, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Chris Saganich wrote: > Oh boy sorry about that, bad choice of example and a poor > explanation to go with it, I didn't mean to imply your photographs > remind me of that. Quite the opposite. Your work is a good example > of what is good and what I like about photography. The crying > babies of what is bad and I hate about photography. I'm so sorry > you thought I was equating the two, no, no, that is a repugnant > thought indeed! I didn't mean that in a million years. thanks Chris... I didn't think so... Steve > > Chris > > At 08:15 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: > >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Chris Saganich wrote: >> >>> Your work is a good example. >> >> hmmm really ? of what may I ask ? >> >> >>> Brings to mind the crying baby photographs, where the photographer >>> made the babies cry on purpose. >> >> >> oh God, spare us... ! >> >> >> I see no connection whatever; honestly I find such a thought both >> incredibly remote and repugnant... >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >>> The crying baby makes for a visceral reaction as does you images, >>> (having worked in a cancer hospital with pediatric cases I can >>> relate to your images on this level), but in the former case one >>> might ask, why are the babies crying? and the answer is because it >>> is what the photographer wanted. In your images one might ask why >>> is the child in the hospital? Not because of the photographer! The >>> important part is that we know this information When (What) we >>> don't know I feel it is a problem that is understated and little >>> understood. In the digital world it seems we tend to know less and >>> less, subjective reality is off the map, which is what makes me >>> nervous because is seems easy and popular; anyone can do it. As an >>> exploration for artists it is a rich area which makes me wish I was >>> 25 and in art school. As a middle aged person on the verge of >>> xenophobia, drinking too much caffeine, it is troublesome. >>> >>> At 12:35 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >>> >>>> On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Chris Saganich wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well again, vision doesn't cease with the shutter. The >>>>> extension of >>>>> vision into the darkroom or the computer is often necessary. >>>>> Those >>>>> who are solidly grounded in the conceptual framework of >>>>> extension of >>>>> vision photography or the painterly concepts of photography have >>>>> little trouble with the digital world. Like solarization or IR >>>>> film >>>>> these are obvious painterly concepts, removing reality from >>>>> images, >>>>> bringing attention to the handwork rather then the subject. >>>>> Except >>>>> in the digital world this commingling of concepts becomes so >>>>> subtle >>>>> that reality can be purged or invented without anyone seeing >>>>> it. It >>>>> is like there is violence being committed but no one notices or >>>>> cares, the violence is invisible, and this is why the digital >>>>> world >>>>> seems sinister to me. >>>> >>>> I think this was always true...though it's made easier now...not >>>> altogether new or different... >>>> >>>> In my experience, my own photography for my book, comprising almost >>>> all film images, I found the honest documentation of children in >>>> the >>>> hospital a conscious, ongoing struggle every step of the way. >>>> >>>> Accurate and honest depiction of the child's reality was the goal, >>>> but >>>> necessarily included getting people to look... >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "I never wanted to be famous" >>>> >>>> www.blurb.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Perhaps in academics there is a language for this but I haven't >>>>> come across it. There is a new animal in the forest and I'm >>>>> trying >>>>> to understand what it eats. >>>>> >>>>> At 07:49 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >>>>>> A great many of the worlds greatest photographic images have come >>>>>> from very >>>>>> difficult negatives. >>>>>> Difficult as in way over or under exposed; >>>>>> Not in focus or otherwise soft. >>>>>> Poorly composed. >>>>>> A decent image was made from them with someone in the darkroom >>>>>> who >>>>>> knew what >>>>>> they were doing. >>>>>> Now its a bit easier to do those things. >>>>>> And by a lot more people. >>>>>> So what? >>>>>> >>>>>> A lot more people have Photoshop and are good at it than had >>>>>> darkrooms and >>>>>> were good at it. >>>>>> >>>>>> This offends the small proud darkroom club. >>>>>> Those of us who were able to swing darkrooms. >>>>>> >>>>>> I for one am very glad that photography has been made more >>>>>> democratic. >>>>>> If that's the word. >>>>>> More for everybody. >>>>>> Not just those who could swing darkrooms. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> markrabiner.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist >>>>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University >>>>> New York Presbyterian Hospital >>>>> chs2018@med.cornell.edu >>>>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ >>>>> Ph. 212.746.6964 >>>>> Fax. 212.746.4800 >>>>> Office A-0049 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>> >>> Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist >>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University >>> New York Presbyterian Hospital >>> chs2018@med.cornell.edu >>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ >>> Ph. 212.746.6964 >>> Fax. 212.746.4800 >>> Office A-0049 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> Steve >> >> "I never wanted to be famous" >> now available at www.blurb.com >> >> kididdoc@cox.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist > Weill Medical College of Cornell University > New York Presbyterian Hospital > chs2018@med.cornell.edu > http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ > Ph. 212.746.6964 > Fax. 212.746.4800 > Office A-0049 > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information Steve "I never wanted to be famous" now available at www.blurb.com kididdoc@cox.net