Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2016/06/02
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Cheers Jayanand Sent from my iPad > On 03-Jun-2016, at 00:30, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: > > ooh, free delivery?I am tempted? > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> > http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> > Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator > <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> > YNWA > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 02 Jun 2016, at 20:57, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> This one is still active >> http://tinyurl.com/h87wxhz <http://tinyurl.com/h87wxhz> >> :-) >> Ph >> >> >>> Le 2 juin 2016 ? 20:41, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu >>> <mailto:photo at frozenlight.eu>> a ?crit : >>> >>> Indeed, it appears that 1.204 is not on Leica?s web site. Anyway, the >>> listing of the M9 I was thinking of has disappeared from the Facebook >>> Leica Classifieds group, so it is all moot anyway. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Nathan >>> >>> Nathan Wajsman >>> Alicante, Spain >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>> <http://www.frozenlight.eu/ <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>> >>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/ >>> <http://www.greatpix.eu/>>www.greatpix.eu <http://www.greatpix.eu/> >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>>Blog: >>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/><http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>> >>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>> >>> YNWA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 02 Jun 2016, at 17:15, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Nathan, >>>> >>>> From what I have read, there is no crossover date. Somewhere around >>>> January 2016 they started using the improved sensor cover, but were >>>> also still using some of the older covers. It is implied, no, I have >>>> not seen it written, that the factory made the firmware update when >>>> they installed the newer sensor system. >>>> >>>> John M. says in another post that 1.204 is not available for download. >>>> I have no way of knowing about this point. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> >>>>> On 6/1/2016 11:54 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>> This is confusing, though. How can the firmware version indicate the >>>>> sensor? What if I have an M9 with the original sensor and just update >>>>> the firmware myself? >>>>> It seems from Douglas post that it is safer to go by date of >>>>> replacement. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Nathan >>>>> >>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>> YNWA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 23:30, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Douglas, >>>>>> >>>>>> From the latest posting I could find, the best clue is the Firmware >>>>>> number. Apparently, if the new corrosion-less sensor is installed, >>>>>> they update the Firmware to 1.204. The previous version, for the >>>>>> earlier sensor, is 1.202. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/1/2016 4:19 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote: >>>>>>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Update-CCD-Sensor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Dated 31/08/2015:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /"Update CCD Sensor of the Leica M9/M9-P/M >>>>>>> Monochrom and M-E camera models/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> // >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /We are very pleased to inform you that we have successfully >>>>>>> completed development on our new generation of CCD sensors and >>>>>>> conducted subsequent quality assurance testing under practical >>>>>>> conditions. As a result, Leica Camera AG can now begin replacing the >>>>>>> sensors in the M9, M9-P and M-E models that were affected by >>>>>>> corrosion with sensors from the new generation./ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /Sensor replacement for M Monochrom models will also begin shortly. >>>>>>> We will inform you of the precise date of this as soon as possible./ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /On this note, we would like to remind our customers that we can >>>>>>> only offer replacements for CCD sensors for cameras affected by this >>>>>>> particular problem; prophylactic replacement is not possible./ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /We thank you for your patience and for your loyalty to the Leica >>>>>>> brand."/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unfortunately, it doesn?t say exactly from when the "new generation" >>>>>>> replacements are being installed. But it seems to indicate that any >>>>>>> replacements made before 31 August 2015 must have been with older >>>>>>> generation sensors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Douglas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 01.06.2016 23:03, Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>>>>> Nathan & Douglas, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A search turned up this: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258531-m9-sensor/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2016 3:53 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>>>>>> I have no idea when the cutover date was. I am basing my >>>>>>>>> statements on Peter Klein?s post. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 22:43, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nathan, I'll pick your brain if I might as a Google search has >>>>>>>>>> failed to clarify this. >>>>>>>>>> I didn't realise the sensor replacement was date critical. The >>>>>>>>>> private one near me here in Ireland had its sensor replaced 6 >>>>>>>>>> months ago by Leica. I presume that's ok? If so, I just might >>>>>>>>>> make him an offer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Douglas >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at >>>>>>>>>> frozenlight.eu> >>>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:22 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who have replied. So the story is not that >>>>>>>>>>> simple?not only do I need to know whether the sensor has been >>>>>>>>>>> replaced but also whether it has been replaced with the old one >>>>>>>>>>> or the new one. I have asked the seller when the replacement got >>>>>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And no, I do not want to deal with the hassle of sending a >>>>>>>>>>> camera to Germany and then waiting for who knows how long. My >>>>>>>>>>> previous experience sending my M8 for repair back in 2009 or 10 >>>>>>>>>>> was not that great. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 14:22, Frank Verizon 2 2016 <red735i at >>>>>>>>>>>> verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would buy the one that has not had the sensor replaced, if I >>>>>>>>>>>> could determine the replacement is required. Then I would send >>>>>>>>>>>> it in for sensor replacement, getting the complete camera >>>>>>>>>>>> checked out and adjusted for free. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are those that would say buying a non-current digicam is >>>>>>>>>>>> silly. You are buying old technology. Not as good. My argument >>>>>>>>>>>> is that if it does the job you want, when you buy it, the age >>>>>>>>>>>> of the technology is not relevant. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The M9 has proven itself to me to be reliable and a great back >>>>>>>>>>>> end for Leica glass. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> $2500 is a bargain >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at >>>>>>>>>>>> frozenlight.eu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have always said that once the M9 prices come down to a level >>>>>>>>>>>> that I am prepared to pay, I will buy one. Well, in the past >>>>>>>>>>>> week I have seen two for sale, for $2500 and $2200, >>>>>>>>>>>> respectively. The one I saw this morning has had the sensor >>>>>>>>>>>> replaced. Those prices are within my range, but I now have >>>>>>>>>>>> doubts about reliability. Clearly, buying an M9 that has not >>>>>>>>>>>> had a sensor replacement is out of the question; but in case >>>>>>>>>>>> one has had it, is the new sensor reliable?or is it just a >>>>>>>>>>>> matter of time before it starts rotting just like the original >>>>>>>>>>>> one did? And are there other reliability issues besides the >>>>>>>>>>>> sensor? 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